The Use Of Pivoting When Aiming.

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I didn't say there's value in using the technique in an overwrought "system" like CTE -

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How is the pivot used in CTE Pro 1?

Do you think the pivot is of value or essential with 90/90 or is that another bogus aiming system?

You don't even use BHE because you've clearly stated you'd rather use parallel English rather than backhand with a pivot.

So, when and where is a pivot beneficial based on your non-professional teaching and playing credentials?

 

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It is simply me expressing my opinion. No one's poking any eyes out.
People choose to take offense or they choose not to take offense, I can't control how people view my opinions. Should I not express an opinion because a few might get offended? I'm all for getting things off your chest, its how I was brought up.

Well, thats all well and good except these lines have been clearly drawn for the ages. Picking a scab to get something off your chest is simply unproductive and only feeds the negativity.

That's my opinion, I agree with you, I can't control how others see it.

 

[DTL]

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Everyone does not hold another man in the esteem of being their intellectual pool god & does not hold grudges when someone disagrees with their pool god & then resort to making the vile, disgusting, & immoral inference that the one that disagrees with their pool god is a child molester as a means of revenge the way DTL did.

Pivoting is a very subjective procedure as is getting the exact point to perform such a subjective pivot that would be correct for any given shot.

It's an added maneuver that is not necessary.

Colin Colensco has done some very extensive study of pivoting & has relayed how much that the most minute variance can be detrimental to shots.

That said, if pivoting is used to employ BHE along with utilizing the pivot point of a cue stick, Colin has shown those to be very beneficial.

so... I am in basic agreement with Pidge & hence the thumbs up in referende to his posts.

Does that mean that one can not become rather proficient after a time of subjective learning through the course of trial & errors, successes & failures?

No it does not, just as one one can become proficient with the use of ghost ball with no pivot.

Both are subjectively learned methods.

I will also say this, I could see some advantage of approaching a shot from the same direction repeatedly. The cue has to get into position somehow.

I think it might be nice if there was no cue stick at all until one was completely set & then BAM the cue appears & on line that one has visually chosen for the shot.

I think most have heard the eyes lead.

So... once one has the line with their eyes... setting the cue on that line in a consistent manner might & probably would be advantageous.

 

[Pidge]

Everyone does not hold another man in the esteem of being their intellectual pool god & does not hold grudges when someone disagrees with their pool god & then resort to making the vile, disgusting, & immoral inference that the one that disagrees with their pool god is a child molester as a means of revenge the way DTL did.

Pivoting is a very subjective procedure as is getting the exact point to perform such a subjective pivot that would be correct for any given shot.

It's an added maneuver that is not necessary.

Colin Colensco has done some very extensive study of pivoting & has relayed how much that the most minute variance can be detrimental to shots.

That said, if pivoting is used to employ BHE along with utilizing the pivot point of a cue stick, Colin has shown those to be very beneficial.

so... I am in basic agreement with Pidge & hence the thumbs up in referende to his posts.

Does that mean that one can not become rather proficient after a time of subjective learning through the course of trial & errors, successes & failures?

No it does not, just as one one can become proficient with the use of ghost ball with no pivot.

Both are subjectively learned methods.

I will also say this, I could see some advantage of approaching a shot from the same direction repeatedly. The cue has to get into position somehow.

I think it might be nice if there was no cue stick at all until one was completely set & then BAM the cue appears & on line that one has visually chosen for the shot.

I think most have heard the eyes lead.

So... once one has the line with their eyes... setting the cue on that line in a consistent manner might & probably would be advantageous.

I agree with approaching the cue onto the shot line as close to the same each time. I just don't think pivoting is the way to go.
I also agree about the cue and hand can get in the way of your view. One of the methods I've shown people for finding their vision centre is to get down with the cue held across their waist and get as low as possible whilst viewing the shot until it looks like it will pot. I will usually set up a half ball hit for this. Then ask them where an imaginary line through centre cue ball is pointing at the object ball. When they say the edge of the object ball that's when they bring the cue into centre cue ball without moving their head and vision. Then you simply press down hard with the chin into the cue to leave a lasting feeling for a few seconds into the chin. Set up a straight in, get down with the chin in that place you've just found and shoot a stop shot. Its amazing how many times it ends up being a perfect stop short with no side spin. A very easy way to find your vision centre. The cue and hand can get in the way especially if it comes across the line of sight and people tend to move the head out of the way very slightly to view the cue ball.

 

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I agree with approaching the cue onto the shot line as close to the same each time. I just don't think pivoting is the way to go.
I also agree about the cue and hand can get in the way of your view. One of the methods I've shown people for finding their vision centre is to get down with the cue held across their waist and get as low as possible whilst viewing the shot until it looks like it will pot. I will usually set up a half ball hit for this. Then ask them where an imaginary line through centre cue ball is pointing at the object ball. When they say the edge of the object ball that's when they bring the cue into centre cue ball without moving their head and vision. Then you simply press down hard with the chin into the cue to leave a lasting feeling for a few seconds into the chin. Set up a straight in, get down with the chin in that place you've just found and shoot a stop shot. Its amazing how many times it ends up being a perfect stop short with no side spin. A very easy way to find your vision centre. The cue and hand can get in the way especially if it comes across the line of sight and people tend to move the head out of the way very slightly to view the cue ball.

I've always played with a very low head position but could never get 'comfortable' with my head low enough to get my chin on the cue. I also had a square stance & used an open bridge except when shooting low for draw shots or for power follow. Some snooker type things to which I just naturally gravitated.

One of the best players in my area has his cue angled across touching his chin & nose

Since finding my cross eye dominance, I've turned slightly & the cue now runs on my rib as a third contact point.

I agree with you about much, but I guess I can no longer give you any thumbs up or 3 taps or any other sign that I agree.

Best Wishes.