Yes, I remember that too.
The "V" grip, searching for a better explanation
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Yes, I remember that too.
Received Lee Brett's DVD today. The Secret Art of Pool.
The best $52 I ever spent. Over 2 hours of detailed instruction. He addressed a lot of things I had been thinking about.
If you dont have this DVD you owe it to yourself to invest the dollars. You wont be dissapointed.
Thanks Lee:thumbup:
John
The best $52 I ever spent. Over 2 hours of detailed instruction. He addressed a lot of things I had been thinking about.
If you dont have this DVD you owe it to yourself to invest the dollars. You wont be dissapointed.
Thanks Lee:thumbup:
John
In our classes, we stop each student's stroke video at the back pause, at the moment of impact, and at the stroke finish and, amongst other things, draw a line showing which way their knuckles are pointing. We learned this from Randy G.
Do your classes recommend a separation between the index knuckle and the middle knuckle or a different alignment between those two (at the end of the finish stroke)?
The V is merely a visual perspective to me, symbolizing the look of the space where the thumb and index finger meet before it makes contact with the cue. If you make the "OK" symbol with your thumb and index finger, it makes a round "O". That is not the V grip. The other purpose of the V Grip is to encourage you from not burying the cue into a tight vise grip but this is just my opinion.
In the second photo, Shane is at cue ball address. Notice his knuckles. The index finger top knuckle is much higher than the rest of the knuckles.
To me that indicates that he isn't gripping the cue tightly with the remaing three fingers. If his knuckles were more parallel to the floor (at cue ball address) I think he would have a "snugger" cue grip. This is just my perspective and it could be wrong. It is difficult to know how how much pressure a player is applying to the cue on each and every shot.
The third photo doesn't shows a completed final stroke but I believe there is extra space between the cue and the top of the upside down V in Bustamante's grip. This "looseness" (space) at the end of the stroke illustrates that the cue is doing the work rather than the player's muscles. That's just my take on that photo.
Look, no one is saying that players use the same grip on every shot. They don't. I don't. You don't. No one does. It isn't practical to use the same grip on every shot.
The bottom line to the "perfect" grip is to have control of the cue without administering unwanted cueing diversion. If you have huge hands like Buddy Hall, you can cradle the cue and hold it lightly but still have complete control over the cue.
Some players hold the cue VERY TIGHTLY like Scott Frost and he swings it pretty good.
Personally speaking, I think the perfect cue grip is an individual thing and those searching for it will have to try different ways to grip the cue.
Another thing that I think that affects your cueing action is your perspective about your grip. Just thinking that you have the perfect grip will keep you in the right frame of mine for a successful grip for each respective shot. You'll know soon enough if your grip isn't the best it can be. :smile:
The "PERFECT GRIP" will come to you when you are ready. (I'm getting ready.)
As I have said before Coach Lee Brett is the expert on the V Grip. I'm just on the journey.
Something that isn't mentioned very often is the way the wrist "should" flex or not flex. In my opinion, the wrist should be straight (not moving side to side), but flex backward and not forward, especially on the final stroke. I've been making a concerted effort to limit the movement of my wrist and it seems to be working pretty well at least for me.
Some really great players "twist" their wrist as they follow through on certain shots.
The "grip" is like art and it is up to each player to determine what looks good, feels good and how it performs for THEIR PARTICULAR GAME.
Not to hijack the thread but I saw your signature. When I retired and took up pool I bought my first cue from Harry Simms at Airport Billiards for $50 bucks. Bought my second cue at Cue and Cushion. Still have both cues.
Get the DVD it will answer any questions that you may have.
The DVD is loaded with a lot of information that Lee explains very, very well.
I have always dropped my elbow, its not something that I make happen, it just happens.
The "V" grip is a more natural way of holding the cue. Kinda like a drummer holding a drum stick with his right hand. I havent learned how to twirl it yet or bounce it off the ground and catch it but I'm working on it.:grin:
Spend the $52 you wont be disappointed.
I have a table at home so its easy for me to pause the video and move to the table.
John
V grip
Maybe this will help someone, I've found this on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u52gKAehqo
Grip explanation starts at 05:27
Maybe this will help someone, I've found this on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u52gKAehqo
Grip explanation starts at 05:27
I agree. For a guy who works offshore, he sure knows a lot of stuff. That forcefollow guy is pretty knowledgeable as well. He's got more videos than Bert Kinister.
Mika uses a V grip. Watch him. Btw, here's some advice for watching great players if you're a beginner. Don't watch them pocket balls, don't watch their pattern. Don't watch the cueball. You will be distracted. Just watch their grip, bridge, stroke, and watch what the cue does through to the end of their stroke.
This is what I do when watching the pros. Your not going to learn anything by watching them pocket balls.
Good post
John
With how important that aspect of the game happens to be, isn't it absolutely amazing how rare it is seen on other such discs, including that of most instructors.
A good portion of this almost 2 and a half hour DVD could be classified as mentally and physically aligning to the shot. That's how important that 'true secret' to this game happens to be. This isn't a fancy DVD. It doesn't have a lot of what others may call 'secrets'. But it has a simple 5 step shooting process that puts you in line with the shot and therefore in position to execute a nice, fluid, straight stroke. That's the real secret to this game.
It may very well be the first time, any instructional DVD has ever taken you through the complete process of shooting pool, both physically and mentally. Coach Lee Brett did a great job. I've found "secrets" in this DVD that can be found on no other DVD that I have ever seen.
As to the simplicity, yes it is simple but as I continue to watch it time after time, I realize that I sometimes fail to grasp every nuance of what Coach Lee Brett shares. Reviewing it over and over seems to uncover additional important aspects that I failed to appreciate in previous viewings.
Yeah, I really enjoyed Lee's style of instruction. Simply an amazing piece of work.
He reminds me of the nuns in grade school, if you didnt pay attention they would wack you across the knuckles with a ruler. Thats how agressive his style of teaching is. I'm just glad I wasnt there in person, I'd probably have some pretty messed up hands.
If Lee ever came out with a new video, I certainly dont know how he could top this one.
Like I have stated before, his DVD will probably go down as one of the best instructional DVD's ever made.
John
I hear ya Joey, I have watched that DVD at least a dozen times and some chapters more than that.
Everytime I watch it I catch little things that Lee says that really make sense and work. Like "steering wheel and engine". The saying is about a second long but is one of the most important aspects in performing a good stroke.
I hope Lee does take out Appleton in 2013. Unless of course earths magnetic polars shift on 12/21/2012. :frown:
John
Wow some amazing reviews of my DVD there, thanks for the super kind words, im glad to help do my bit for pool.
A great ability is to speak *the players language*- this is the most critical point if you re trying to *reach the student*. And here Lee found some explanations to describe some things in well choosen words.
Lee is a serious guy and he knows that has not developed something really new- but he can put things together and bring out the important points really excellent!
Good job Lee, keep doing your best pal
lg
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Lee is a serious guy and he knows that has not developed something really new- but he can put things together and bring out the important points really excellent!
Good job Lee, keep doing your best pal
lg
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