The World Series of Pool League - Now Signing Up Player Members!

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WSOPool

The World Series of Pool
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The World Series of Pool League is now signing up player members in the greater Chicago area...expanding to other areas of the midwest & nationwide very soon! Form your team now!! Weekly and monthly money-added tournaments for all league players...WSOPool official locations that host other leagues may participate in our weekly tournaments as well (AT THAT PARTICULAR HOST LOCATION!!) Follow the link below to find all the information you need....downloadable player member applications, official rules & formats, team roster sheets, and much more! We look forward to seeing you on league night! www.WSOPool.com or [URL="mailto: league@wsopool.com"]email league@wsopool.com if you have any questions at all...[/URL]

Warmest Regards,

Daniel Villalobos - Director WSOPool
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How will you organize your tournaments?

Daniel,

My name's larry and I'm currently a member of a few other leagues that do not offer added money tournaments, how is the world series of pool league going to work? thx


larry delphi
 
Larry

We'll be adding money to all of our weekly and monthly tournaments, with full fields as well...so the prize-money will be nice and large.....greater prize-money than any other tourneys currently being held in any local market! Lotsa Action and you'll love it!!!


Daniel
 
Here we go again. :-)

Sorry it's hard to get excited anymore by new tours and tournaments. They seem to all be rich in logos and acronyms but short on organization and money.

Good luck from a burnt out fan. I like what I see at the website so far and Tom Karabatsos is a well known name in the billiard circles.

This looks good;

- 8-Ball Format
- 128 Player Fields
- 6 Tourneys, 5 x $200k prize-fund, and 1 year-ending $500k Main Event ($75k 1st Place Prize with ALL Prize-Money Guaranteed!)
- Matches professionally taped & edited for cable TV
- Low entry fees in all WSOP sanctioned qualifiers
- Top 100 players are exempt from qualifying in year #2!

Kind of IPT-lite which was the suggestion many people made when the IPT got formed. I think that this is a great way to build something lasting.

Desire creates a market. The way I see it is that you will have people qualifying for 28 open spots per event? Then perhaps the top 128 of all the players who played in the events throughout the year play in the last one? Then 100 players carry over to the next year?

Seems great to me with a chance to really allow the qualifier system to take root and grow which SHOULD funnel money to the main events and in turn allow them to grow.

Well, I am little more encouraged and wish you great success with this (ad)venture!
 
Dear JB Cases,

That is EXACTLY our goal! Both an amateur league AND a pro tour designed by players, for players....with the betterment of the sport being at our core. We look forward to all player feedback....so please everyone, don't be shy with your opinions on our formats and our handicap system. We want the World Series of Pool to be the BEST and we can't do it without you!!


Warm Regards,

Daniel Villalobos - WSOPool Director
 
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Dear JB Cases,

That is EXACTLY our goal! Both an amateur league AND a pro tour designed by players, for players....with the betterment of the sport being at our core. We look forward to all player feedback....so please everyone, don't be shy with your opinions on our formats and our handicap system. We want the World Series of Pool to be the BEST and we can't do it without you!!


Warm Regards,

Daniel Villalobos - WSOP Director
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I hope you have thick skin because this place can brutal when you ask for what you did in the bolded part above.

My advice on your marketing would be to consider dropping the hyperbole when you have an as yet untested product. Unless I miss my count there are at least 5 or 6 competing league systems out there, not counting all the local private leagues.

I am jsut getting in because everyone else is sleeping. Wait until they wake up :-)

Just kidding, you probably won't get much negativity but if you do try to resist the instinct to be defensive because one thing you will learn on AZ is that hostility invites more hostility and there are some people who seem to love to attack for the apparent joy of irritating others. So my advice is to use AZ wisely for your new venture but be aware that we here have literally seen it all and discussed it all endlessly.

We will be your biggest supporters if you put something solid on the map and your biggest detractors if you just talk a good game and don't show up.

Again, good luck. Pool can use some serious help and your website sounds fairly serious.
 
Be careful with using the WSOP. WSOPool should be ok, but WSOP and you will have the entire World Series Of Poker getting lawyers on you if you become large and successful.

Just a helpful hint as I am reminded of the WWF, the world wrestling federation. Everything was fine a dandy until it took off and the World Wildlife Foundation sued for the initials being used.

I like what I see and look forward to hearing how it grows.

Carl
 
do not want to piss on anyone's parade, but how is a local tour with aspirations to expand regionally and later NATION-wide, a WORLD-tour?
 
AfghanBilliards said:
Be careful with using the WSOP. WSOPool should be ok, but WSOP and you will have the entire World Series Of Poker getting lawyers on you if you become large and successful.

Just a helpful hint as I am reminded of the WWF, the world wrestling federation. Everything was fine a dandy until it took off and the World Wildlife Foundation sued for the initials being used.

I like what I see and look forward to hearing how it grows.

Carl
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Carl:

This is good information and advice. Great post!

WSOPool:

Your name "WSOPool" is AWFULLY close to WSOP, the poker entity, as Carl points out. I hope you don't run into problems with it, but better safe than sorry. When trying to penetrate the marketplace and creating a name that lasts, it's helpful to keep the following in mind:

1. Do your due diligence and create a name that doesn't conflict or "resemble" someone else's. If the name looks, sounds, or "feels like" someone else's, it's a bad choice -- it's best to err on the worst-case scenario side, and pick a new name. Put it this way, if *you* (the name creator) thought that the name looks, sounds, or "feels like" someone else's, you can bet someone else will feel that way too -- and that "someone else" being a lawyer for the other entity.

2. If you don't protect the name, someone else will grab it for themselves and protect it.

3. Many people don't realize this, but that cute and useful device lots of our readership use everyday, the "Apple" iPhone, is actually borrowing -- with permission from the trademark's owner -- the name "iPhone" itself. That's right, the name "iPhone" is not Apple's trademark. It's Cisco's trademark! There was a big lawsuit launched by Cisco when Apple went hogwild calling all their products "i"-something (because Cisco had been doing that almost a decade prior with their Internet-connected devices, giving those product names the "i" prefix to indicate the Internet-connected thing). Then, an agreement was reached where Apple was allowed to use the name:
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_022107b.html
The point? Protect your name -- otherwise someone else will steal it!

4. That issue with the World Wrestling Federation having to change their name was a sound one. The World Wildlife Fund existed -- with the initials "WWF" -- since 1961, while the World Wrestling Federation sprang into existence 18 years later (1979). They'd been sharing the "WWF" acronym for a while, until the World Wrestling Federation got a little too big for their britches, and the World Wildlife Fund had to protect what was rightfully theirs. That suit didn't last long at all, and we all know the results -- the wrestling entity had to change their entire name, every incarnation in all their literature, to "World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE)," which we know it as today. The point? Pick a name that doesn't conflict, look like, sound like, or "feel like" anyone else's, and you'll be better off.

I hope this is helpful,
-Sean
 
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We appreciate all the help!

We appreciate all of the feedback and advice! Tom and I are working really hard to make sure that we put the best product out there for the players (we're both players too)....Tom has A TON of experience structuring leagues, tournaments, etc. and he's a top-flight player too so he brings a certain perspective to things that's invaluable. Wish us luck everyone!!


Warm Regards,

Daniel Villalobos - Director WSOPool
 
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Regarding Formats...

In each of our six tour events players will earn points for each match that they win, and start with 10 points just to qualify for a main event. In our second year 256 players will compete and yes, the top 100 point getters get a free ride in year #2! All tournament prize money will be escrowed for pay-out before any qualifier is run! Player payouts will be guaranteed in this manner.

Regards,

Tom Karabatsos - Director WSOPool
 
It sounds good.

Sometimes things that sound too good to be true, actually are too good to be true.

I hope this isn't the case with WSOPool, and that it becomes a big success.

Good luck!
 
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Thank You...

justadub,

Thank you for your support! We'll get there and we're going to do it right!


Regards,

Daniel Villalobos - Director WSOPool
 
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Call me a buzz kill but I just can't see any way to take an organization seriously that did not even have the foresight (or care enough) to choose a name that did not conflict with an already extrememly well known pre-exisiting organization, that being the World Series Of Poker (WSOP). Their web site is even www.wsop.com. Yet splattered all over every page of the World Series Of Pool web site are references to the WSOP (in reference to your own pool organization).

This "World Series Of Pool" organization has incompetent, amateur hacks written all over it. What a way to inspire confidence from day one. Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously? This "oversight" speaks volumes on management and judgement.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
Call me a buzz kill but I just can't see any way to take an organization seriously that did not even have the foresight (or care enough) to choose a name that did not conflict with an already extrememly well known pre-exisiting organization, that being the World Series Of Poker (WSOP). Their web site is even www.wsop.com. Yet splattered all over every page of the World Series Of Pool web site are references to the WSOP (in reference to your own pool organization).

This "World Series Of Pool" organization has incompetent, amateur hacks written all over it. What a way to inspire confidence from day one. Not trying to be a jerk, but seriously? This "oversight" speaks volumes on management and judgement.
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Um, I think it's obvious that the name was deliberately chosen to tie into the World Series of Poker.

Now, technically, in my not-a-lawyer opinion, naming your organization the World Series of Pool is probably not any sort of copyright or trademark violation. But even if it is then it's their problem.

Why do you have to go off on people pledging a million dollars to fund a pro tour?

Incompetent? Have you ever owned a business much less five of them? Tom Karabatsos is a long time icon in the Chicago billiard scene. In addition he is a pretty sporty player in his own right.

Yeah, you're being a buzz-kill and pretty rude about it. An apology would be in order.

I know we are all kind of jaded about things like this but that's no reason get out the pitchforks and start burning people at the stake.
 
From the site:

An A player goes to 4 or must win 4 games to win the match, a B player must win 3 games, a C player must win 2 games, and a D player must win 2 sets of 1 game to win the match. E.G., if the A player beats the D player 1 set 4-0, then the match is over with and the A player is the victor. But if the D player should win 1-3, then the D and A player will play a 2nd set to determine the victor of the match. Simply put, the D player must win 2 sets before losing the set to win the match.
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As soon as a "D" player wins a game, does that mean you automatically start the second set?
 
We're Updating Our Site

When you see WSOP on our website, it is merely an abbreviation and not an acronym. To avoid any confusion, we are changing any WSOP references to WSOPool.

Regards,

Daniel
 
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JB Cases said:
Um, I think it's obvious that the name was deliberately chosen to tie into the World Series of Poker.
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And I think it's obvious that it was a bad judgement call. Why push the envelope with an 800 lb gorilla that is almost certain to challenge you at some point, costing you money that as a fledgling orgainization you don't have to be wasting on defending yourself, even if you are ultimately on solid legal ground?

JB Cases said:
Now, technically, in my not-a-lawyer opinion, naming your organization the World Series of Pool is probably not any sort of copyright or trademark violation.
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You may be right on the full name (although it may still get a future challenge which will come with an expense to defend). If you could read though, you would see that the big issue was with their use of "WSOP", and even in your not-a-lawyer opinion I am sure that even you can see how that very well may be a copyright or trademark violation.

JB Cases said:
But even if it is then it's their problem.
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I didn't speak to whose problem it was. I spoke to what it implies about the management and judgement of the organization. My apologies to those involved if my wording was harsher than necessary, but somebody was really brain farting when they chose the name and then chose to start using "the WSOP" to refer to it. Even if it is not the case, it gives the implication that sound management is not in place--not what any of us wants for a start up we all have high hopes for and that people will have to put their confidence and trust in if it is to succeed.
 
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