Their are Pool shooters and Pool players, which group is better?

Hey Master9......

Poolshooters don't know what they don't know. They haven't played against strong talent enough to know that sometimes when you lose it's because the other player didn't give you any chances. They don't understand the intricacies of position play, strategy and 2 way shots.

Poolplayers beat poolshooters consistently and pool shooters don't even understand how or why, they become "customers".

To become a poolplayer, poolshooters need to relearn everything they understand about the game in order to elevate it. This takes work and the ability to see the flaws in one's game. Most shooters will never make that transition, and many are completely unaware of the difference.

You put it right where both sides could get it. You are correct in what you say! I appreciate your input. Thanks a lot! I hope you are doing well?
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
SHOTMAKER vs. PLAYER

I would like to know your opinion of which is better! A Pool shooter, or a Pool player? And possibly why? Thanks for your input. They are different!
Regards,
Lock N Load.

This topic has come up many times when I've been in pool halls.

I always referred to some guys as great "shotmakers". The other group was called "players".

Shotmakers can make difficult shots but don't control whitey as good. Eventually, the shotmaker will hook himself/herself and end up with too tough of a shot. This style results in selling out games. Another draw back is that it's pretty easy to gauge a "shotmakers" speed.

Players usually like to control whitey a bit more and sometimes play safe when a tough shot comes up. Usually a player will run out and never have a tough shot because of good position play. It's hard to gauge a "players" speed sometimes. because they don't go for a very difficult shot or do anything out of the ordinary. Good example: 1 pocket players move the rock very well and to the novice, they appear to be beating balls into the rails.

Now, with all that layed out, there are some good shotmakers that are players also. These are the guys we watch on the pro tour.;)
 
Good input.

This topic has come up many times when I've been in pool halls.

I always referred to some guys as great "shotmakers". The other group was called "players".

Shotmakers can make difficult shots but don't control whitey as good. Eventually, the shotmaker will hook himself/herself and end up with too tough of a shot. This style results in selling out games. Another draw back is that it's pretty easy to gauge a "shotmakers" speed.

Players usually like to control whitey a bit more and sometimes play safe when a tough shot comes up. Usually a player will run out and never have a tough shot because of good position play. It's hard to gauge a "players" speed sometimes. because they don't go for a very difficult shot or do anything out of the ordinary. Good example: 1 pocket players move the rock very well and to the novice, they appear to be beating balls into the rails.

Now, with all that layed out, there are some good shotmakers that are players also. These are the guys we watch on the pro tour.;)

Said well, stated well, and to the point well. thank you for your input. I like what you said!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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You put it right where both sides could get it. You are correct in what you say! I appreciate your input. Thanks a lot! I hope you are doing well?
Regards,
Lock N Load.

Also a pool shooter will make shots and not have a clue where the cue ball is going and a real player knows.
 
Pool Shooter - Anyone from a newbie to being pretty good, BUT they usually have played in bars mostly. Good open table shooters, but usually lack the finer points expertise, like banking, especially more than 1 rail, combos can be weak, safety play. They can be anywhere from a loud mouth drunk to pretty nice guys.

Pool Players - Grew up in Poolrooms mostly, may play in bars, but only to hustle money. They treat Pool as more of a sport instead of just a game.
They are more knowledgeable about Pool in general, the equipment, how to act, negotiating a match, etc.. When you become a player, you have reached a certain level of expertise in the sport. You also start to become known out and around, and usually you have gambled quite a bit, and for more than nickels and dimes.

Now, which is the better group? Well, shooters are the easiest to hustle and match up with, but players are the better group to be around in a general sense, but harder to negotiate with, match up with. Some players can be pretty boisterius sometimes, but the smart ones aren't.

I don't think it can be said any better that this.:thumbup:
 
Please define a professional poolplayer. It's hard to figure out where the line is drawn between what an amateur is and where the "pro" level begins. Very hard.

Not trying to hijack the thread though!!!

Maniac

The posters below this post defined it pretty well.

Players are the hunters, shooters are the prey. All fireworks, and no substance.
 
Customer sounds better than fish

I am a customer. But I know this. And don't mind. I just read the menu from right to left. Budgeting is involved.

I support the local room and its players. I support local tournaments, knowing that I am dead money. I know I cant win-but like to feel the fire and try to improve, while playing for small money. It helps keeps the pool economy circulating-and is fun.

Shooter? player?-I lose to both-and maybe learn something in the process.

btw-I think the 'player'-will take the right shot most of the time-and win. Unless his goal is to win later -at a more lucrative time.

Good thread.

Take care

its hard for me speak clearly with the hook in my lip:confused:
 
player or shooter

I would like to know your opinion of which is better! A Pool shooter, or a Pool player? And possibly why? Thanks for your input. They are different!
Regards,
Lock N Load.

All pool players can shoot. Not all pool shooters can play.
 
I dont see the need for the big argument, I can see points that everyone has made,. but its pretty rhetorical, think, how many times have you called youself only a "pool shooter" or only a "pool player" most just say " i play pool, or shoot pool" so again i think its moot point.

Noun moot point (plural moot points)

1.An issue that is subject to, or open for discussion or debate; originally, one to be definitively determined by an assembly of the people.  .
2.(US) An issue regarded as potentially debatable, but no longer practically applicable. Although the idea may still be worth debating and exploring academically, and such discussion may be useful for addressing similar issues in the future, the idea has been rendered irrelevant for the present issue.

I believe we are about at 2 i would say. ha
 
Okay LNL, I'm going to give this a try.

Pool shooter: One who is a very good/great shotmaker but lacks skill in the pattern/safety/strategy aspects of pool.

Pool player: Not as good a shot as the "pure shooter", but excels in the strategy parts of the game and is better in the mental part of pool as well.

By this definition I'd fall into the player category. I'm not a great shotmaker, but in my hillbillie league I win most of my games due to playing smarter. However, if you are going to make a distinction between a pool shooter and pool player I see the distinction as purely strategy. One doesn't have to be a great shot maker to be a "shooter" but you do need strategy, safeties, position play, etc. to be a "player" by my definition. I don't see quality of play being part of it. You could be a hit-and-hope banger and be considered a shooter, or a beginner with no ball control yet tries to play smart thinking about every leave and be a player.

edit: forgot to answer the question! By what I consider a player vs. shooter, a smart player > dead eyed shooter.
 
No need for an argument, is right.

I dont see the need for the big argument, I can see points that everyone has made,. but its pretty rhetorical, think, how many times have you called youself only a "pool shooter" or only a "pool player" most just say " i play pool, or shoot pool" so again i think its moot point.

Noun moot point (plural moot points)

1.An issue that is subject to, or open for discussion or debate; originally, one to be definitively determined by an assembly of the people.  .
2.(US) An issue regarded as potentially debatable, but no longer practically applicable. Although the idea may still be worth debating and exploring academically, and such discussion may be useful for addressing similar issues in the future, the idea has been rendered irrelevant for the present issue.

I believe we are about at 2 i would say. ha

this post is Solely opinion related. With everyone's opinion respected! Different strokes for different folks. merely a discussion about the subject at hand! Everyone's opinion is valued.... I thank you for your time and input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
I would like to know your opinion of which is better! A Pool shooter, or a Pool player? And possibly why? Thanks for your input. They are different!
Regards,
Lock N Load.



Pool shooter , plays semi seriously , but has a job.

Pool player , will never work a regular job , even if he has to stretch the bounds of decency. He is different than a professional in that he is in the middle ground. You need to have Professional as a third option .

The player is up one day down the other , he never buys but never hesitates to ask for a loan , a beer etc. He doesn't really enjoy pool , it is a means to an end .
 
Thanks for your input!

Pool shooter , plays semi seriously , but has a job.

Pool player , will never work a regular job , even if he has to stretch the bounds of decency. He is different than a professional in that he is in the middle ground. You need to have Professional as a third option .

The player is up one day down the other , he never buys but never hesitates to ask for a loan , a beer etc. He doesn't really enjoy pool , it is a means to an end .

This thread is not about a professional pool player! It is about a pool player and a pool shooter! About regular everyday players and shooters. Professionals shoot pool for a living. and are no longer regular pool players and pool shooters. They have evolved to a higher level of player. I thank you for your input and time!
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Here's an example: I played this guy one time!!! $20 a game!! The cook!! Bald Mike!!!! White guy!!!


Oh !!! Never mind!!
 
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