there really WAS an "ames billiards" in nyc

you got the n.y. scene right jimmy. hope you didn't rob me in those days. few did :)

nice part there were plenty of places within say a 30 block walk. and all kinds of fun things to do around there.
I seriously doubt it maha...At 16/17 I wasn't nearly as good as I thought I was at the time and , besides, may have been one of the better players in Mike's or Sam's, but it was a good thing I didn't have much cash as I would have surely lost it pretty quickly "uptown".
 
he was good for a few hundred, but played slow and much better than you would think by watching him.
during those years and some later there were a bunch of stars that liked to slum around the pool rooms and gamble.
jimmy caan from the god father was around the best player of them and was a smart gambler. he was a pool hall guy before he became a famous actor.
In that movie Cinderella Liberty he displays some of his pool playing James Caan I'm talking about

Check out this video, "pool scene from Cinderella Liberty" https://share.google/D95HRfcS3Yx2hViou
 
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I seriously doubt it maha...At 16/17 I wasn't nearly as good as I thought I was at the time and , besides, may have been one of the better players in Mike's or Sam's, but it was a good thing I didn't have much cash as I would have surely lost it pretty quickly "uptown".
i was probably in your same age bracket or close to it back then. i didn't play as good as i thought either. but was careful to play the bad players and show money so they wanted to play me. winning in the pool room doesn't correlate with playing well. although it helps somewhat if they don't know it.
those days there were always mailmen, business owners etc. that had been taken by all the good players and wanted a new face or someone that didn't run balls to play with.
 
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I was never close to being an A-level player, but whenever I got up to New York in the 60's and 70's I always made it a point of dropping in at the pool rooms. I got to Ames one time only, in 1964 or 1966, apparently just before it closed. It was just after they'd opened for the day, and other than me and the house man the place was deserted. IIRC the tables were older, in immaculate condition, with the leather laced pockets that played a lot easier than today's Diamonds, or even the Gold Crowns of the 60's.

But mostly I played at Julian's and McGirr's. Julian's was on 14th Street across from Union Square, an upstairs room whose tables had pockets as wide as the ocean. I once put a 7-pack for $2 a game on a local player, but when someone whispered to me that I was playing the New York State Champion, I folded like an accordion and wound up the loser.

The best of them by far was McGirr's, on 8th Avenue between 44th & 45th Sts, downstairs on the west side of the Avenue. I loved everything about that place: The overall condition of the tables; the super tight pocketed regulation sized table up front; the gorgeous 5' x 10' table towards the back (my favorite); the snooker tables; and of course hustlers like "Georgia Boy" and others whom I never knew by name but who could shoot lights out. I have to wonder how many road players survived that room. Every time I went there it was jam packed with players, both in the evenings and afternoons.

Only got to the 7-11 once, and it may have been gone by the time I was pretty much fixated on McGirr's. Didn't think much of the tables, but I know the action was the point.
 
road players rarely survived in nyc. far too many just as good or way better than them, and that no one even knew their names.

plus east coast players knew to quit very early on if the game wasn't good. where the west players played until empty.
 
I was never close to being an A-level player, but whenever I got up to New York in the 60's and 70's I always made it a point of dropping in at the pool rooms. I got to Ames one time only, in 1964 or 1966, apparently just before it closed. It was just after they'd opened for the day, and other than me and the house man the place was deserted. IIRC the tables were older, in immaculate condition, with the leather laced pockets that played a lot easier than today's Diamonds, or even the Gold Crowns of the 60's.

But mostly I played at Julian's and McGirr's. Julian's was on 14th Street across from Union Square, an upstairs room whose tables had pockets as wide as the ocean. I once put a 7-pack for $2 a game on a local player, but when someone whispered to me that I was playing the New York State Champion, I folded like an accordion and wound up the loser.

The best of them by far was McGirr's, on 8th Avenue between 44th & 45th Sts, downstairs on the west side of the Avenue. I loved everything about that place: The overall condition of the tables; the super tight pocketed regulation sized table up front; the gorgeous 5' x 10' table towards the back (my favorite); the snooker tables; and of course hustlers like "Georgia Boy" and others whom I never knew by name but who could shoot lights out. I have to wonder how many road players survived that room. Every time I went there it was jam packed with players, both in the evenings and afternoons.

Only got to the 7-11 once, and it may have been gone by the time I was pretty much fixated on McGirr's. Didn't think much of the tables, but I know the action was the point.
Nice write up and great memory.
About 20 years ago I was in a tourney in Denver. I met a gentelman that introduced himself as
Georgia boy, he was maybe in his 70's and a black man. He was not playing in the event but after he challenged me to a match of straight pool for $200. I had been playing all day and actually won the tourney, but I turned him down. This player owned a Balabushka cue and let me check it out.
I bet there have been a few Georgia boy Nick names but I wonder if it was the player you are referring to?
 
Nice write up and great memory.
About 20 years ago I was in a tourney in Denver. I met a gentelman that introduced himself as
Georgia boy, he was maybe in his 70's and a black man. He was not playing in the event but after he challenged me to a match of straight pool for $200. I had been playing all day and actually won the tourney, but I turned him down. This player owned a Balabushka cue and let me check it out.
I bet there have been a few Georgia boy Nick names but I wonder if it was the player you are referring to?
Could well have been. The Georgia Boy I met at McGirr's in the early 70's was a Black guy who then appeared to be in his early 30's, and was spoken of by the other players with a tone of real respect. I once actually played him some cheap $5 nine ball for about half an hour before confirming that he was out of my league. The next day, I ran into a Newark hustler named Ron Thomas, whom I knew from Washington's Brunswick Billiards, and after I'd told him about my match, he just laughed and said "Do you know who you were playing? That must've been Georgia Boy". Until then I'd never heard of him, but since then I've never forgotten him or his name.

I wish I'd known the name of this little Puerto Rican guy who also took me to school, also at McGirr's. He was probably in his late 30's, with a weather beaten face, couldn't have been more than maybe 5'2" at most, couldn't have weighed much more than 100 pounds, but when it came to position play in nine ball, he was right up there on Buddy Hall's level. In the entire time I played him, I don't think he ever got out of line on a single shot. It was a thing of beauty. But I never got his name.

There was one other McGirr's player I matched up with, a fat and thoroughly obnoxious guy in a dirty white T-shirt. His name may have been Steve, but I'm not 100% sure. I played him nine ball on the front table for a solid two hours and broke even, and I pulled up only because the aggra was just too much----talking while I was shooting, cursing if he dogged a shot, etc. I saw him a few years later at Randolph Hills in Rockville, Maryland, where he was trying to give "Little Petey" Goldsmith the 8 on the tightest table in the house. That table took down a lot of road players, and Petey had this McGirr's import cursing every few seconds. After he went broke and left I told Petey about my experience with him at McGirr's, and Petey said he wasn't surprised.
 
I wonder if the Puerto Rican guy you played could have been Santos Sambajon?
I know Santos is Pinoy but the size and ability sound similar.
I do have a picture of Georga Boy but I am working off a new PC and have not had an easy time posting pictures like I could with my old unit.
 
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I wonder if the Puerto Rican guy you played could have been Santos Sambajon?
I know Santos is Pinoy but the size and ability sound similar.
I do have a picture of Georga Boy but I am working off a new PC and have not had an easy time posting pictures like I could with my old unit.
Couldn't have been Santos, since in the early 70's he would've only been a very young teenager (he's 65 now), and at the time this guy was at least in his mid or late 30's.

I'd love to see any pictures of Georgia Boy if you could ever post them here. As you know from your own experience, he was a serious player.
 
Couldn't have been Santos, since in the early 70's he would've only been a very young teenager (he's 65 now), and at the time this guy was at least in his mid or late 30's.

I'd love to see any pictures of Georgia Boy if you could ever post them here. As you know from your own experience, he was a serious player.
I will work on this. I will resurrect this thread if I have to, due to a very busy couple of weeks in front of me now.
 
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