Thin cut shot

[Bob Jewett]

Is that the cross side bank with the CB on the same rail as the OB? Always liked that one...

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Here is Joe Tucker's voice-over of his Vernon Elliott banks:

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Here is Joe Tucker's voice-over of his Vernon Elliott banks:

Yow.

With the CB on the second diamond (rather than at the corner pocket as I first assumed), the bank angle is more like 100°+.

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[Bob Jewett]

Yow.

With the CB on the second diamond (rather than at the corner pocket as I first assumed), the bank angle is more like 100°+. ...

The largest cut angle I've seen with a (more or less) level cue and outside english is about 110 degrees. That was for a simple cut shot, not a bank. I think as you mentioned before, the rail adds some angle due to the helping spin the object ball will have. Dr. Dave has a high-speed video or two on the subject.

 

[garczar]

I think that one (with the OB past the side pocket) has to be 95°+. I suppose the OB being on the rail helps the throw...

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[dr_dave]

For those interested, I have a good collection of "impossible" cut shots here:

"Impossible" Cut Shots​

Enjoy!

 

[dr_dave]

The largest cut angle I've seen with a (more or less) level cue and outside english is about 110 degrees. That was for a simple cut shot, not a bank. I think as you mentioned before, the rail adds some angle due to the helping spin the object ball will have. Dr. Dave has a high-speed video or two on the subject.

Here's high-speed video showing an "impossible" Vernon Elliot bank (HSV A.142 – Vernon Elliott cross-side bank with chalk on the object ball to increase throw and spin transfer):

 

[Dead Money]

Those are cool!