This is the best I can do!!!!!!

[BigDogatLarge]

Whats wrong with just telling someone to shut up? Do you think the tired phrase of "having a cup of stfu" is clever? You come off like a real dork. Someone makes a statement and you bombard them immediatly telling them to shut up on an open forum.

I guess you are right, I should have called him a dork.. My bad... I am just tired of the disrespect people show others and I sunk to the same level... If you are a great player and continually snubed it get to you after awhile. I feel where Grady is and snapped off a reply. Read some of my other posts and you'll see what I am really about...

Dwight

 

[corvette1340]

I guess you are right, I should have called him a dork.. My bad... I am just tired of the disrespect people show others and I sunk to the same level... If you are a great player and continually snubed it get to you after awhile. I feel where Grady is and snapped off a reply. Read some of my other posts and you'll see what I am really about...

Dwight

You are right about Grady being a champion in the sport of pool. He has done a lot of great things for pool in general. I do think that he is beating a really dead horse though. If you will do a search you'll see that Grady has started about 30 threads on this very subject in the past few years. I mean, what does thread 24 about not getting an invite from the UPA contain that will make it different than thread number 1?

Do you get an invite? No. Can you try to qualify? yes. Do you put up the money or get sponsors for this event? No. Does Charlie? yes.

Keep in mind that I cannot stand Charlie, but it is ultimately his tournament and if players want to compete in them then they must meet HIS criteria and play by HIS rules. If it were my tournament then I'd invite whomever I wanted or exclude whomever I wanted. Grady is welcome to do the same thing with a tournament as is anyone else.

 

[BigDogatLarge]

I agree...

You are right about Grady being a champion in the sport of pool. He has done a lot of great things for pool in general. I do think that he is beating a really dead horse though. If you will do a search you'll see that Grady has started about 30 threads on this very subject in the past few years. I mean, what does thread 24 about not getting an invite from the UPA contain that will make it different than thread number 1?

Do you get an invite? No. Can you try to qualify? yes. Do you put up the money or get sponsors for this event? No. Does Charlie? yes.

Keep in mind that I cannot stand Charlie, but it is ultimately his tournament and if players want to compete in them then they must meet HIS criteria and play by HIS rules. If it were my tournament then I'd invite whomever I wanted or exclude whomever I wanted. Grady is welcome to do the same thing with a tournament as is anyone else.

I think he wants to go and play with others... Maybe he misses the road and this is his way of letting people know he wants to play. The heart of a champion and all... Now, he has the place to do as he pleases and I think he should do just that... I don't know CW, but if these posts about his character are any indication, well... to each his own. BTW I like reading your posts, you have a way about you... lol

 

[corvette1340]

I think he wants to go and play with others... Maybe he misses the road and this is his way of letting people know he wants to play. The heart of a champion and all... Now, he has the place to do as he pleases and I think he should do just that... I don't know CW, but if these posts about his character are any indication, well... to each his own. BTW I like reading your posts, you have a way about you... lol

thanks. Its always nice to have a civil discussion among people that may not agree on things exactly. Rep to you.

 

[BigDogatLarge]

thanks. Its always nice to have a civil discussion among people that may not agree on things exactly. Rep to you.

If everyone agrees to disagree, then manners will take a front seat and people may speak to each other or about each other without all the venom and bile that seems to permeate the forums. There is enough strife in the world, maybe we as pool players can actually be ladies and gentlemen as our sport is supposed to be. IMO

Dwight

 

[BigDogatLarge]

I apoligize...

Have a big cup of STFU... When you are great like he is then say something, meanwhile have another cup...

Brian, I shouldn't have snapped at you like that. I just saw it as disrespect to a great player. I spoke before thinking... I apoligize to you...

Dwight

 

[Andrew Manning]

Man up

I agree with everyone who says that Grady is a legend and should not have to qualify to play 14.1 in any tournament.

But, that said, the people running the tournament tell him he has to qualify to play. What does a real man do in this situation: allow that insult to defeat him, or man up, qualify, and show them what a champion does in the face of adversity? "I consider it degrading to have to qualify" to me translates to "my pride is more important to me than proving I can still play."

Grady, you have earned your pride through decades of pool achievement, but it's folly to let that pride stand between you and the game you love and play so very well. It takes a big man to swallow his pride, and my humble opinion is that the best thing you could do in this situation is prove that you are that kind of man.

-Andrew

 

[yobagua]

You are right about Grady being a champion in the sport of pool. He has done a lot of great things for pool in general. I do think that he is beating a really dead horse though. If you will do a search you'll see that Grady has started about 30 threads on this very subject in the past few years. I mean, what does thread 24 about not getting an invite from the UPA contain that will make it different than thread number 1?

Do you get an invite? No. Can you try to qualify? yes. Do you put up the money or get sponsors for this event? No. Does Charlie? yes.

Keep in mind that I cannot stand Charlie, but it is ultimately his tournament and if players want to compete in them then they must meet HIS criteria and play by HIS rules. If it were my tournament then I'd invite whomever I wanted or exclude whomever I wanted. Grady is welcome to do the same thing with a tournament as is anyone else.

Why is it ok for people to say stuff like "I cannot stand Charlie"? I seem to read that often. Im just asking vette? I dont know the man and have met him once. On the surface he was kind and respectful to me as Grady has always been to me. Yet when there has been criticism of Grady and his behaviour people act like its a capital crime? I dont need to be reminded of Grady's contribution and accomplishments. I been around since the 60's. And I think Charlies accomplishments are pretty good to. I take them both as equals. I mean they both got to get up in the morning and put their pants on one leg at a time. I think.
Maybe Charlies attitude and behaviour can rub people the wrong way but I also dont think Grady has been an angel either. No need to bring up specific incidents because Im sure both men have made mistakes as we all have. Ok let it pass.
I dont know yet if this is discrimination or favoritism. Unfortunately business has always had some kind of anarchic behaviour. They get to choose who they want unless the mass of people demand them to change. Those people who find it abhorrent of the UPA to ignore the so called legends of the game should organize and petition the powers that be. Stage sit ins or picket lines. Yet the UPA still can point to the fact that they have an ample amount of qualifiers.
All in all I think it is an emotional concern. I admire and respect Grady and if he ever has a tournament, and I am able, I will attend. But the same goes with the UPA. And I dont think the players feel any different about their participating in the events either.

 

[corvette1340]

Why is it ok for people to say stuff like "I cannot stand Charlie"? I seem to read that often. Im just asking vette? I dont know the man and have met him once. On the surface he was kind and respectful to me as Grady has always been to me. Yet when there has been criticism of Grady and his behaviour people act like its a capital crime? I dont need to be reminded of Grady's contribution and accomplishments. I been around since the 60's. And I think Charlies accomplishments are pretty good to. I take them both as equals. I mean they both got to get up in the morning and put their pants on one leg at a time. I think.
Maybe Charlies attitude and behaviour can rub people the wrong way but I also dont think Grady has been an angel either. No need to bring up specific incidents because Im sure both men have made mistakes as we all have. Ok let it pass.
I dont know yet if this is discrimination or favoritism. Unfortunately business has always had some kind of anarchic behaviour. They get to choose who they want unless the mass of people demand them to change. Those people who find it abhorrent of the UPA to ignore the so called legends of the game should organize and petition the powers that be. Stage sit ins or picket lines. Yet the UPA still can point to the fact that they have an ample amount of qualifiers.
All in all I think it is an emotional concern. I admire and respect Grady and if he ever has a tournament, and I am able, I will attend. But the same goes with the UPA. And I dont think the players feel any different about their participating in the events either.

I was just pointing out that my disagreement with the way Grady has approached his despise of the UPA and CW was in no way biased towards my feelings for Charlie. Charlie is all about Charlie and that is it. Anyone that has dealt with or met him can conclude what is on his agenda.

But, as I have said before and that a lot of people have said including you in this post, it is his entity and sponsors. He can run it however he sees fit.

 

[Terry Ardeno]

Iz it me or does Grady always come across like a whiny crybaby?? :frown:

Brian

Brian,
Have you ever read any of his many posts here & at Onepocket.org where he shares stories of the great players and events of the past? Have you ever attended any of his tournaments that he's promoted (and PAID out every $ promised), have you ever listened to him do commentary on matches, have you ever watched him play in his prme and have you ever spoken with him or met him in person? If you have done any of those things, you would have not asked your question.

There's a reason why he's so staunchly defended here by die hard fans of his.
Besides being a multi-timed World Champion, he's been a friend of pooldom who's devoted his life to our great sport. I agree with him 100%.

That being said, Charlie has had more issues wth players than Grady ever has. I give CW major kudos for supporting 14.1 as he does, but there's no debating he plays favorites and could IMPROVE his events by inviting the likes of Grady and other bonafide old school legends. If not for the good will that gesture would invoke, then he should do it for the crowd appeal.

Who knows how many more years Grady will have with us? What major harm is done by allowing someone who has accomplished so much and who STILL has a great passion for the game to play in his event. If Bary Berhman can give exemptions every year to the whole host of past winners, why can't CW give out some exemptions to proven champions who have many times over paid their dues?

 

[corvette1340]

Brian,
Have you ever read any of his many posts here & at Onepocket.org where he shares stories of the great players and events of the past? Have you ever attended any of his tournaments that he's promoted (and PAID out every $ promised), have you ever listened to him do commentary on matches, have you ever watched him play in his prme and have you ever spoken with him or met him in person? If you have done any of those things, you would have not asked your question.

There's a reason why he's so staunchly defended here by die hard fans of his.
Besides being a multi-timed World Champion, he's been a friend of pooldom who's devoted his life to our great sport. I agree with him 100%.

That being said, Charlie has had more issues wth players than Grady ever has. I give CW major kudos for supporting 14.1 as he does, but there's no debating he plays favorites and could IMPROVE his events by inviting the likes of Grady and other bonafide old school legends. If not for the good will that gesture would invoke, then he should do it for the crowd appeal.

Who knows how many more years Grady will have with us? What major harm is done by allowing someone who has accomplished so much and who STILL has a great passion for the game to play in his event. If Bary Berhman can give exemptions every year to the whole host of past winners, why can't CW give out some exemptions to proven champions who have many times over paid their dues?[/QUOTE]


Because he doesn't want to? Or maybe he doesn't like the fact that Grady has berated him on these forums for the past few years. Hell, maybe he just doesn't like Grady. I see your point, but surely you recognize that Charlie is the one running things and its his decision. If everyone told him that they weren't playing until he invited Grady then he'd probably invite Grady but the players are gonna go where the tourneys and money are regardless of who is running it and whether or not they like their morals, standards, or principles.

I'm not saying it is right or wrong. I'm just saying that it embodies the American way. If I own my own business then I'm gonna run it exactly how I want to run it.

 

[cuenut]

"I consider it degrading to have to qualify, especially from an upstart group like the UPA."

"If I do decide to stage my own stuff, I just don't see why I can't call it the world championship, since my events are never that hated word "invitational". I have only two requirements to be in one of my Straight Pool tournaments" a. Pay your entry fee and b. Have enough ability to please a paying audience."

First off, let me state that the pool community is better off with than without you, and that includes invitation to said tournament.

However, if you stage your own tournament and follow your noted comments above, aren't you in a sense doing exactly what they are? By this I mean when allowing entry according to your (b) above (have enough ability to please a paying audience). Persons who play in their tournament are not subjectively chosen, rather must qualify, if I understand the situation. They might, in your scenario, believe that you don't have enough ability to please a paying audience, anymore than you may think the same of them. How would you handle the same situation in reverse with other legends of the game who would want to play in your tournament but don't meet your subjective evaluation? Would you want them to come on this forum and start a similar thread? Just a thought.

 

[corvette1340]

"I consider it degrading to have to qualify, especially from an upstart group like the UPA."

"If I do decide to stage my own stuff, I just don't see why I can't call it the world championship, since my events are never that hated word "invitational". I have only two requirements to be in one of my Straight Pool tournaments" a. Pay your entry fee and b. Have enough ability to please a paying audience."

First off, let me state that the pool community is better off with than without you, and that includes invitation to said tournament.

However, if you stage your own tournament and follow your noted comments above, aren't you in a sense doing exactly what they are? By this I mean when allowing entry according to your (b) above (have enough ability to please a paying audience). Persons who play in their tournament are not subjectively chosen, rather must qualify, if I understand the situation. They might, in your scenario, believe that you don't have enough ability to please a paying audience, anymore than you may think the same of them. How would you handle the same situation in reverse with other legends of the game who would want to play in your tournament but don't meet your subjective evaluation? Would you want them to come on this forum and start a similar thread? Just a thought.

Good post. Would read again.

 

[sunnyday]

I've been following the AZB forum for some time and like a clock work every time CW/ Dragon Production event is in progress you post about the same issues... And you make about the same threats. "I will run my own tournament and CW and the likes won't be able to play..."

The crying woof game is getting old...

Action speaks louder.

S.

 

[Drawman623]

Grady

If you build it they will come.

You are a legend in the game - you need not have to explain that to anybody - nor should you have prove yourself in a qualifying event. The people that respect your achievements and your boundless love for the game understand how passionate you are about this subject - and we understand that it is more about the game than it is about you.

If you need help with anything, don't hesitate to ask. Keep doing the great things you are doing, my friend - actions really do speak louder than words - and you are definitely a man of his word.

I couldn't say it better. Put it on and I will see you there.

 

[turbo]

grady to straight pool is coulemans to 3 cushion. Agassi to tennis. Steve Davis to snooker. Romario to soccer. He's the '65 ferrari that when seen at a motor show, gets more attention than any other.
I bet if Grady was to play in that tournament, he wouldn't have white tennis shoes on, take a sucker swing at the td, or opponent, would know enough about the rules that "all balls foul" means if your shirt touched a ball and he was called for it he wouldn't start crying "but it didn't move!".