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The $1,000 Mako Fargo capped 641 and under 10-Ball Tournament had 78 players square off in Vegas this past weekend.
The winner, Kyle Hargis, with an alleged fargo of 628 (908 games in system) totally dominated the field winning all 7 matches by a combined score of 67 to 23, 74%, and played the tourney at an effective fargorate of an astounding 776.
The 2nd highest effective fargorate was 688, btw.
Kyle played 7 matches and the closet was one 9 to 5 for the hotseat. He won the final 13 to 5 btw. As a fargo 628........
I watched the guy on livestream and almost immediately picked him as a fraud due to his unbelievable overall playing abilty.
I further researched and found him on facebook and found that he he recently ran a 7-pack. AS A FARGO 628!?!?
I also found that he was trying to set up 5-digit big money fargorate doubles money matches with a 700-ish fargorate friend of his.
The guy is a fraud and a shortstop and the fact that Mako let him win this HUGE money tourney (I don't have the exact amount, but 1st paid $26k MORE than 2nd place) makes me feel he was a hired gun, a plant.
I truly feel sorry for the 77 honest players in the tourney. The tournament director should have noticed this anamoly.

Maybe our buddy Mike Page can explain how this semi-pro talented is running a legit fargorate 628?

You can find video of this guy (playing like SVB) on youtube, search 2022 Mako 10-ball Tournament.

Mike Page, explain this please. (And not with a "he had a good tourney" BS, thanks).

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Woodshaft said:
The $1,000 Mako Fargo capped 641 and under 10-Ball Tournament had 78 players square off in Vegas this past weekend.
The winner, Kyle Hargis, with an alleged fargo of 628 (908 games in system) totally dominated the field winning all 7 matches by a combined score of 67 to 23, 74%, and played the tourney at an effective fargorate of an astounding 776.
The 2nd highest effective fargorate was 688, btw.
Kyle played 7 matches and the closet was one 9 to 5 for the hotseat. He won the final 13 to 5 btw. As a fargo 628........
I watched the guy on livestream and almost immediately picked him as a fraud due to his unbelievable overall playing abilty.
I further researched and found him on facebook and found that he he recently ran a 7-pack. AS A FARGO 628!?!?
I also found that he was trying to set up 5-digit big money fargorate doubles money matches with a 700-ish fargorate friend of his.
The guy is a fraud and a shortstop and the fact that Mako let him win this HUGE money tourney (I don't have the exact amount, but 1st paid $26k MORE than 2nd place) makes me feel he was a hired gun, a plant.
I truly feel sorry for the 77 honest players in the tourney. The tournament director should have noticed this anamoly.

Maybe our buddy Mike Page can explain how this semi-pro talented is running a legit fargorate 628?

You can find video of this guy (playing like SVB) on youtube, search 2022 Mako 10-ball Tournament.

Mike Page, explain this please. (And not with a "he had a good tourney" BS, thanks).

Here's Digital Pool's Link:

digitalpool.com

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Create and manage your own pool leagues and tournaments and challenge other players from around the pool world.
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If a guy can sandbag for over 900 games, he deserved the win. That's commitment

Did you lose a bet, guy doesn't look like SVB, what are these sour grapes??
 
ideologist said:
If a guy can sandbag for over 900 games, he deserved the win. That's commitment

Did you lose a bet, guy doesn't look like SVB, what are these sour grapes??
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Agree.

There's two caveats:
1. Sandbagging FargoRate would only ever make financial sense if there was a HUGE payoff down the road. Rarely would that be the case but maybe this situation would apply.
2. Inputting inflated/deflated data could do the trick. I'm starting to see this with my very limited play. Where accurate results are not being reported to the tourney director. Instead, some guys always mysteriously win hill-hill or when they lose -- they get skunked.
 
nicksaint26 said:
I know the tournament director and can assure you there was no funny business. You can say the guy played 750 speed but he didn't beat no 700 rated players either. And this was on a bar box. Another idiotic take by the Woodshaft
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If the OP is accurate then it's a topic at least worth discussing. If the winner played that well, that's truly phenomenal. Like once in a lifetime, or ???
 
nicksaint26 said:
I know the tournament director and can assure you there was no funny business. You can say the guy played 750 speed but he didn't beat no 700 rated players either. And this was on a bar box. Another idiotic take by the Woodshaft
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I agree and I'll give another funny example. A buddy of mine won the hot seat in one of the BCA state championships (gold division I think). He was beating people like 5-1 all the way to the finals. He came up to me and said "Dude, I'm playing 770 speed right now!".

I just laughed. I don't think I saw one person run a rack in that division. I watched his match on Youtube and both players missed several balls per game. The guy is a 500 speed through and through, but just happened to win all of those back and forth racks. So I believe there is a big difference between "playing 770 speed" and winning at the same rate as a 770. I think it's totally possible that this guy's opponents dogged it. Also possible he's undercover SVB. Certainly not Mike Page's fault...
 
Anyone can get on a hot streak and play way better than expected. It's not like he's an APA 3 who is suddenly running racks. He's already a strong player and he caught a gear.

The problem isn't the fargorate system. The problem is the tournament format. Why have a capped tournament? So now the 641 rated player is the top dawg rather than the actual best player in the area. How is this fair? What makes a 641 so special? How do you think the 642 rated players feel?
 
FeelDaShot said:
Anyone can get on a hot streak and play way better than expected. It's not like he's an APA 3 who is suddenly running racks. He's already a strong player and he caught a gear.

The problem isn't the fargorate system. The problem is the tournament format. Why have a capped tournament? So now the 641 rated player is the top dawg rather than the actual best player in the area. How is this fair? What makes a 641 so special? How do you think the 642 rated players feel?
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Capping these tournaments is the dumbest thing.
 
easy-e said:
Capping these tournaments is the dumbest thing.
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They cap tournaments in chess, which is what fargo is trying to be. And this type of BS does happen in chess. I've been in a lot of under 1400 tournaments and you get players that are playing at an 1800 level. The ratings just haven't caught up to them yet.
 
I watched that finals match. His opponent played miserably on each opportunity he had during the first 5 or 6 games. Most of us would have had about a 6-1 lead given the chances Kyle was given. I didn't watch his other matches but that final was a gift.
I was going to play in that but we moved back east. I didn't see anything all that scary during the time I watched. His stroke isn't great but he has excellent speed control from what I saw. I know some who lose on purpose on occasion when they are on the bubble of an entry cutoff, so it does happen. That guy who robbed the Moby Dick 2 years in a row is a bigger criminal imo.
 
Zerksies said:
They cap tournaments in chess, which is what fargo is trying to be. And this type of BS does happen in chess. I've been in a lot of under 1400 tournaments and you get players that are playing at an 1800 level. The ratings just haven't caught up to them yet.
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I should have been more specific. Capping these tournaments at random numbers like "641 and under" is the dumbest thing. I'm not really against a cap, or a handicap (but not both together).
 
FeelDaShot said:
Anyone can get on a hot streak and play way better than expected. It's not like he's an APA 3 who is suddenly running racks. He's already a strong player and he caught a gear.

The problem isn't the fargorate system. The problem is the tournament format. Why have a capped tournament? So now the 641 rated player is the top dawg rather than the actual best player in the area. How is this fair? What makes a 641 so special? How do you think the 642 rated players feel?
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They have these for 565 and under, 580 and under, 710 and under, etc. MOB hosts $1000 buy-in tourneys a few times a year at different levels. I like the idea of allowing different levels to play for $20k+ payouts. They choose the rating randomly iirc, and this 641 was the first or second to land between 600 and 700 I believe. That's why it interested me prior to moving.
 
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