This is why you use bubble wrap people!

[Jeff]

Here's an example....

There is a guy with two ads for instroke cases on e-bay right now one 3/7 and one 2/2. Both ads feature the cases with the same red background that look like they were taken from another site. the guy has "0" feedback. I wrote requesting a different picture. one of the inside of the case, mainly wanting to see a different background to verify he really had the cases.

Guess what, no answer at all.

But people are bidding and if they get taken, who's fault is it?

Shorty's case is a little different, but you have to be careful, you have to be able to say to yourself, "I checked it out the best I could".

 

[Blue Book]

I'm not saying the seller is right or wrong, sellers can divulge all types of info or none. Why would you take it as a con? A con is when he lies, like how he said it was a Runde, that was the con here, but you want to focus on something that was a non issue. Shorty was the first one who thought it was done in shipping, how I have no clue. You are slow because now you are assuming things, if Shorty had asked and the guy claimed it was 100% he'd have a claim and IMO would not have to pay 1 dime since the guy lied about the condition. The part you seem very slow about is that lying about something and just not giving it from the start are 2 different things and not even closely related as far as cons go. The other thing you are real slow about (or maybe you like to see your name up on the screen) is why not concentrate on the fact that the guy lied about the cue (Runde,not the condition)??

Jim

Well, the reason why you are slow is because whether or not it's a Runde is not the issue. Shorty already said that. He knew it wasn't a Runde. What he didn't know was that it was damaged.

Damaged. read my lips. Shorty was sold a damaged cue.

You should call yourself "Dumbo, the Meathead Rooster". You're more like an Old Hen. You seem to be able to dish out insults and change your opinion at the slightest provocation when your logic fails you. However, I can't cut you slack because even the dense should know the difference between right and wrong, they just can't explain it as well, which is why your opinion keeps flip flopping.

Your mouth garbles words into insults when your logic fails. You lack ethics. You should go back to the cue gallery and take pot shots at dealers who are on the same intellectual level as yourself.

 

[Snapshot9]

that's with ...

LOL...I don't know where you getting your wraps dude...but around here they are 35-45...and Scott only charges 35. But yes, I am definately having it rewrapped in black with white spec irish linen. I don't want a leather because that would be putting even MORE into the cue.

Shorty

a refinishing of the cue Shorty, which is normally done when you
replace a wrap. I had my old Huebler refinished and rewrapped
before I sold it to a friend.

 

[Boro Nut]

How are u going to prove that the damage did not occur in your hands as a result of your negligent handling?Playing devil`s advocate.

Because Devil's Advocate only ever plays poker, not pool.

This just goes to show the dangers of buying cues from 3rd rate players suffering from delusions of being unlucky whilst aspiring to become below average. This cue has clearly been hurled through a plate glass window on more than one occasion.

In mitigation I had had rather a lot to drink.

Boro Nut

 

[DaveK]

This just goes to show the dangers of buying cues from 3rd rate players suffering from delusions of being unlucky whilst aspiring to become below average. This cue has clearly been hurled through a plate glass window on more than one occasion.

Shorty bought that cue from DCP ? Who'da thought ... other than the boro nut.

Dave

PS Sorry for once again making a DCP joke, but in my own defense nobody said 'serious replys only please' on this one

PPS As far as the situation goes, I think that 'buyer beware' is quite relevant and trying to figure an angle to recover some perceived 'loss' from a related party is passing the buck and denying responsibility, due diligence was not done, not that it's easy to do in the case of eBay purchases, which leads back to caveat emptor.

 

[JimBo]

Well, the reason why you are slow is because whether or not it's a Runde is not the issue. Shorty already said that. He knew it wasn't a Runde. What he didn't know was that it was damaged.

I don't believe he knew it wasn't a Runde when he bid on it, but I doubt he'd admit to that, it is an issue because it's the only part of the description that the seller lied about. Once more I'll point out that leaving out info isn't lying.


Damaged. read my lips. Shorty was sold a damaged cue.

The scratches are cosmetic and have nothing to do with how the cue works, also there is no guidelines as to what condition a cue needs to be in to sell it, specially not on e-bay. Again try to follow along we are talking about if the seller was trying to be deceptive, in this case his only deception was the issue of the cue being made by Runde, not the overall condition of the finish (which as I've already said has no impact on if the cue works or not).

You should call yourself "Dumbo, the Meathead Rooster". You're more like an Old Hen. You seem to be able to dish out insults and change your opinion at the slightest provocation when your logic fails you. However, I can't cut you slack because even the dense should know the difference between right and wrong, they just can't explain it as well, which is why your opinion keeps flip flopping.

I don't believe I've insulted you or flip flopped, but of course since you know me you have more pent up anger and other issues to work threw, try to stay on topic though, we are talking about THIS issue here. If it's to hard for you to separate other things from this one I understand, but I'll continue to speak on this topic in this thread.

Your mouth garbles words into insults when your logic fails. You lack ethics. You should go back to the cue gallery and take pot shots at dealers who are on the same intellectual level as yourself.

Again I understand that you have other issues that may cloud your reading comprehension when it comes to me, but just try to read the facts in this case and not my screen name if I throw you off so much.

Jim

 

[cueaddicts]

jimbo

Again I understand that you have other issues that may cloud your reading comprehension when it comes to me, but just try to read the facts in this case and not my screen name if I throw you off so much.

Jim

Jim, I agree with your take on the facts RE: this scenario. When information is omitted, it's an informed buyer's responsibility to ask. If you are not informed or simply do not ask, you are taking your own chances. Items on eBay are as is. eBay does not require a sellar to have a warranty with the item, and if one is offered then the buyer should consider it a bonus and/or supporting proof of a seller's good feedback. Can't tell you how many items I've simply not engaged in bidding on "chance items" I would love to have owned because of a sellar's evasiveness or simply not responding to a simple question about condition. Just wasn't willing to take the chance at the price.

Another interesting angle to view this in is how a lot of people expect to get something great for nothing. Not saying that Shorty approached this cue in that way at all (in fact I don't think he did), but this seems to be a trend these days in our "entitlement society" that we've allowed ourselves to fall into. Just another slant that could be put on this scenario. IMO, it was pretty crummy of the sellar to not disclose any obvious flaws, but that would be assuming he/she has that knowledge. They may not have even been into pool or cues. At any rate, it's still a buyer's responsibility to ask questions.

On a very light note, Jim, I've always wondered.....what's up the "Male Rooster" moniker ??? I mean WTF is that about? Are you boasting that you haven't been neutered or something? I thought all roosters were males.

Sean

 

[JimBo]

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On a very light note, Jim, I've always wondered.....what's up the "Male Rooster" moniker ??? I mean WTF is that about? Are you boasting that you haven't been neutered or something? I thought all roosters were males.

Sean

I've explained it before, it was placed there after a Poster thought he was being funny by calling me that. Kinda reminded me of a skit on Leno one night where they show funny ads from news papers across the country, the add was for Cow balls ;-)

Jim

 

[Shorty]

To further explain my thinking...

When I saw this cue, I thought it was a pretty good deal to be getting a 6 point used Schon for 405 at the time...I didn't see the scratches or problems with this cue clearly in the pictures. I knew the seller had schill bid his Gilbert titlist, but I can understand that in a way if it was not bringing what he wanted. I knew it was NOT a Runde Schon...a fellow eBayer had even sent me a messege explaining to me that it wasn't...which I knew because of the non-sharp points for one thing. The bid was 405 as I said, and I bid 425...thinking that maybe the person that bid 405 would come back and possibly outbid me, in which I was not going to bid again. I ended up winning the bid at 410 and it was another 25 for shipping, bringing the total to 435. The guy shipped the cue out, provided me a UPS tracking number and it arrived at my home last Friday. Upon opening the packaged I immediately noticed all the cracks and gouges in the cue. Not scratches...we are talking about deep cuts into the finish and wrap. The finish is even chipping off the shaft as a matter of fact. The guy had not put the cue in bubble wrap, but instead had stuffed a few piece of paper into the thick cardboard tube to sort of keep it from rattling around I guess. The cue could not shift but maybe 1-2 inches in either direction.

I corresponded with the guy, but he seemed to not want to discuss it...he kept claiming it was damaged in shipping...I went to Paypal to try and get my money back. The guy was trying to say the damage was caused by shipping, which it wasn't, but I had no way of proving that easily, so I dropped my Paypal claim and decided to chalk it up to my stupidity. The cue left today on its way to Scott Sherbine for a complete overhaul...and we will see what it comes back like. If I like it, I will keep it...if not I may sell it and try and recoop some of my cash out of it. I will never get my money out of it...but I hope to at least get back my $400 from it perhaps.

Lesson learned,
Shorty

 

[macguy]

I knew the seller had schill bid his Gilbert titlist, but I can understand that in a way if it was not bringing what he wanted.

Are you kidding, that is why it's an auction. After suspecting that, you did business with the guy anyway? Do you have someone bid Schill your items on ebay? It is the worst thing anyone can do on there and you condone it. I don't know what to say. I looked at one of your auctions and thought there could have been schill bidding. The person signed up the day of your auction didn't win and has never bid on or bought anything since. Looks suspicious. You also say in your neg. feed back on him he has been bragging how he screwed you so to speak, I forget exactly what you said but something to that effect. What is that all about, who is he bragging to?

 

[Shorty]

Are you kidding, that is why it's an auction. After suspecting that, you did business with the guy anyway? Do you have someone bid Schill your items on ebay? It is the worst thing anyone can do on there and you condone it. I don't know what to say. I looked at one of your auctions and thought there could have been schill bidding. The person signed up the day of your auction didn't win and has never bid on or bought anything since. Looks suspicious. You also say in your neg. feed back on him he has been bragging how he screwed you so to speak, I forget exactly what you said but something to that respect. What is that all about, who is he bragging to?

He is bragging in emails to me...I have no clue about the suspected "shilling" I been doing...shrug...you gotta beef with me so I guess you have to get it anyway you can...that's cool.

Shorty

 

[Blue Book]

He is bragging in emails to me...I have no clue about the suspected "shilling" I been doing...shrug...you gotta beef with me so I guess you have to get it anyway you can...that's cool.

Shorty

Kudos to you Shorty. If more people left negative there would be less of this happy horsehitting these others seem to cheer.

 

[Blue Book]

Again I understand that you have other issues that may cloud your reading comprehension when it comes to me, but just try to read the facts in this case and not my screen name if I throw you off so much.


Jim

I wish I did have a problem with reading comprehension. I would be less baffled by your bullshit.

Quote Jimbo:

There is nothing about this cue that was misrepresented,

Jimbo Retorts:

(the seller is) deceptive and not to be trusted

Jimbo counters:

It's not hard to fool people, but you miss the point. He didn't fool anyone

And Jimbo fires back...

you keep thinking I'm defending the seller when in fact I think it was a shitty thing he did

Jimbo makes his point:

Let me also add that I am not condoning this (seller's) behavior

and his counter-point:

The seller made no mention of the scratches ... but he didn't lie about it.

And finally...

...it was a shitty thing he did

You present a fine argument from each side of your mouth.

 

[macguy]

Kudos to you Shorty. If more people left negative there would be less of this happy horsehitting these others seem to cheer.

Shorty should have given the guy a neg if he would not give him a refund on a damaged cue that may have been misrepresented. I believe he is lying as to the guy sending him emails basically laughing at him for buying the cue as he says. What do you think of Shorty's opinion that bid shilling is fine if you are not getting a high enough bid?

 

[Blue Book]

Shorty should have given the guy a neg if he would not give him a refund on a damaged cue that may have been misrepresented. I believe he is lying as to the guy sending him emails basically laughing at him for buying the cue as he says. What do you think of Shorty's opinion that bid shilling is fine if you are not getting a high enough bid?

No, it is absolutely not fine, it is stealing. In fact there is no reason to do this to effectively end the listing without selling the item as the seller claimed. Any listing can be ended early except within 12 hours of auction closing. Even then, all bids can be cancelled and the listing can be ended.

I actually think that this seller used that as an excuse. I believe that he actually exceeed the proxy amount of the high bidder in error, in effect winning his own item. There are restrictions on withdrawing a bid within 12 hours so he was stuck with it.

There is only one instance in which shill bidding is justified, in my opinion. That is when a price is negotiated between buyer and seller and a deal is made to legitimately end the auction early, which a seller can elect to do by accepting the highest bid. In order to show the correct selling price on the proxy system, a secondary bid is needed to match the high bid before the auction is ended. While this is technically against the rules of E-Bay, their lack of functional ability to sell the item at a fixed price while an auction is underway makes shill bidding a necessity.

 

[Shorty]

Hey macguy...just curious...are you called that cause you use a Macintosh?

No...I don't condone shill bidding...nor have I ever done it. I just knew the guy had done it and that is his problem and not mine. I neither endorse it or accept it...I choose to make a personal choice of which I don't care.

And I am not sharing my emails with this public forum...I don't care if you believe me or not. My integrity here has taken enough damage as of late...therefore I will keep the emails to myself.

The cue has been sent away as I have stated and I look forward to it's return.

Thank you,
Shorty

 

[runscott]

I wish I did have a problem with reading comprehension. I would be less baffled by your bullshit.
..........
You present a fine argument from each side of your mouth.

Well-said Bluebook, but it's much easier just to add him to your ignore list...all by himself. I visit this forum because I love playing pool and want to learn more about it and discuss with others who share the same interest. So far, so good.

 

[macguy]

Hey macguy...just curious...are you called that cause you use a Macintosh?

No...I don't condone shill bidding...nor have I ever done it. I just knew the guy had done it and that is his problem and not mine. I neither endorse it or accept it...I choose to make a personal choice of which I don't care.

And I am not sharing my emails with this public forum...I don't care if you believe me or not. My integrity here has taken enough damage as of late...therefore I will keep the emails to myself.

The cue has been sent away as I have stated and I look forward to it's return.

Thank you,
Shorty

Fair enough, you will have a fine cue when it is done. Not everything has to be the best deal for you to enjoy it. The macguy comes from my one of my hobbies is machining and I have a machine shop on the property. I like machining metal and making things but I also use it to work on cues.

 

[Blue Book]

Well-said Bluebook, but it's much easier just to add him to your ignore list...all by himself. I visit this forum because I love playing pool and want to learn more about it and discuss with others who share the same interest. So far, so good.

Sorry you had to suffer through this. I guess I got a little tired of everyone here just suffering this fool and putting up with his rude attacks and lack of manners simply because they are too weary to argue with his OCD type.

It's almost tragic that such a stand-out dullard would refer to others as 'slow'.

I promise to try to be more positive and polite in the future.

 

[PoolBum]

"This is why you use bubble wrap people!"

I have used bubble wrap people before when I ship my cues, but they always seem to screw up the job. They have a hard time even holding onto the cues, what with those bubble wrap hands and all. From now on I'm doing the job myself.