This is why you use bubble wrap people!
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Cardinal2B said:
In your case, you say it was stated in the auction to be a straight cue and when it arrived it was not straight. This is cause for a grievance. However in Shorty's case there was no mention of a good finish so it's buyer beware. I buy a lot of motorcycle parts on e-bay and one time a guy was supposed to send me a Turn signal self cancelling unit for a particuler bike. After it not arriving for two weeks I started e-mailing him to question where it was at and never got a responce. I finally said that I was reporting him to PayPal and then he finally responded that he had been on vacation and had forgot to put it in the mail and that he would do it immediatly. What he sent was some little relay from a car that had nothing to do with what I was looking for. I again kept e-mailing him and he wouldn't respond so I turned him into PayPal. After a few weeks they sided with him saying that I received a part and they don't guarantee the suitability of the part. In other words I got nothing that was ordered but since I received something then Tough Luck.
Dick
P.S. I was talking to a friend a couple nights ago and told him about the incident and being to late to give a bad feedback and he said that is not true. He said that actually you have six months to leave a feed-back. He says that after thirty days the transaction comes out of your recently bought items but there is another portfolio you can bring up from My e-bay that has all your transactions for the previous six months so you can still leave bad feed-back after 30 days.
Shorty said:
shorty, I think you should bring this over to the answer center ( community)on ebay , they would be able to give you live help , they really can tell you your rights! they know everything that you will be able to do about it.
Steven
Jeff said:
Are you joking?? It's E-bay, you buy things as is, not all are NIB (new in Box) and anything used is as is unless they mislead with a false discription. Leaving stuff out isn't misleading. If the shaft were warped he'd have a case since someone asked if it was straight. This is why I said he has a case with the Runde claim, because again IMO (and I'm not a Schon guy) it's not one and the guy misrepresented that in an attempt to raise the interest and bids (IMO) so he can go after the lie, but not after the condition since it wasn't misrepresented. Again IMO it was a learning experience for someone new to the hobby, live and learn.
Jim
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JimBo said:
First of all, it's really dumb to carry credit card balances beyond what you can pay month to month. Secondly, your interest rate has to do with your payment history and credit risk. Anyone with decent credit can get a low interest credit card if you must carry a balance. So if you have chosen to carry high credit balances, you can't blame Shorty for that.
Thirdly, credit card companies offer "satisfaction guarantees' with many purchases. They offer it to protect their card members from people like Butthole Seller, who we shall refer to as BS, who did not disclose material defects in the cue. I consider a foot long scratch an issue and you don't. You condone this behavior and blame Shorty for not asking. That's your convoluted cue ethics - ass backwards.
Thanks for telling us your attitude. You wouldn't disclose material defects when selling a cue over the internet, right? Thanks for letting us know - we'll avoid you like the plague.
You're just wrong.
Blue Book said:
I'm sure you don't speak for US and WE, but you can buy cues from everyone but me from now on, I'll go on. But I think if you learn one thing here please ask questions from e-bay sellers. Let me also add that I am not condoning this behavior or am I on the sellers side, he’s deceptive and not to be trusted but this one was Shorties fault all the way, it’s not up to the seller to divulge info that will hurt his bid price.
Jim
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JimBo said:
This is where we disagree. You are saying "buyer beware " but that falls well short in the age of the internet.
Look, the internet is the con artists wet dream. They can be anybody, anywhere, any time. There are so many ways they can fool you it would make your head spin. In 10 minutes I can have your banking information, your next door neighbors daughters name, your schools, your employment history, your criminal record, your credit card balances. Driving record, vehicles, mothers maiden name, and probably your whole genealogy.
Now then, just how hard is it to fool someone in an ad? But sir, you didn't ask if the cue rattled when it is shaken. But sir, you didn't ask if the cue was split in two at the neck and glued up.
You are saying "buyer beware". You are saying it's fair game for the seller to hide substantial material defects which may significantly lower the value of an item. You are saying a screwed buyer has no right to recourse. I am saying this is morally wrong and I am saying "seller beware". If you screw someone who has some savvy, they are going to screw you right back.
Fortunately there are many honest sellers on E-Bay who do not want to disappoint and take advantage of others. Shorty is not out of line in the least. He should screw this non refunding sleaze with both barrels and what better way than through his credit card company.
I hope Shorty also leaves this non-refunding ass a negative.
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Blue Book said:
The guy started the cue at $200. with no reserve. That tells you what he thought it was worth. They were foolish to bid up the cue to 80% of what the cue could be bought for new. As for the condition, you have to ask, if it is not stated. Shorty should have done some research on the cues value and asked a few questions when he saw the low starting price and no reserve. If he had he would have bid maybe to $250. and stopped. When you over pay at an auction you have no right to complain. I sold some scoring beads on ebay and a couple of guys bid them up to $40.00. You can buy them new for $15.00. I started them for $1.00. What am I supposed to do, they are idiots who must have never seen a billiard catalog or something. The winner paid and I shipped them. Not my fault. Shorty bought a used cue and paid too much, it was his own fault. Now he is talking about spending more money on it. He will have more in it then it is worth.
Blue Book said:
You really are slow on this, you keep thinking I'm defending the seller when in fact I think it was a shitty thing he did, but I happen to know the world is full of shitty people and you need to cover you're own ass. If Shorty was lied to about the condition I'd be behind you 100%, but it's not the case here. He failed to do his homework on this, but I can assure you it'll be his last time for that.
Jim
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JimBo said:
So, am I to understand that you are saying the seller was wrong in not disclosing the defect, more or less admitted to the con when he refused to refund and lied and blamed the carrier. However, despite this certainty it's it's still Shorty's fault because he didn't ask the condition of the cue from the honest abe seller, who certainly would have been forthcoming since he was on everything else. He lied anout everything else but he would have told the truth if Shorty asked. WTF and I'm slow?
if I ever have a jury trial and I'm dead guilty caught redhanded I want you and Macguy on it.
Blue Book said:
The seller would have taken $200. for the cue, that alone should tell you something. If shorty had bought the cue for $200. this thread would not exist. He asked no questions and over paid that is the problem. Yes, the guy should have given as complete a description as he could but shorty is supposed to be a cue dealer, he should have asked and checked the cues value and not over bid on the cue. I once bought a lot in the Florida Keys that turned out to be worthless. I paid $11,000. for it and sold it for $9,000. Turned out I had no access to utilities, it was on the other side of the road. I would have had to pay to tear up the road, around $40,000 just to have water on the property which I would have to have to get a permit to build. I could not even get it from the neighbor, I had to have my own feed. The neighbor was who I sold the lot to finally. I have no idea what he did with the lot, maybe just used it to expand his yard but he could not build either. Sometimes you do real bone head things.
Blue Book said:
I'm not saying the seller is right or wrong, sellers can divulge all types of info or none. Why would you take it as a con? A con is when he lies, like how he said it was a Runde, that was the con here, but you want to focus on something that was a non issue. Shorty was the first one who thought it was done in shipping, how I have no clue. You are slow because now you are assuming things, if Shorty had asked and the guy claimed it was 100% he'd have a claim and IMO would not have to pay 1 dime since the guy lied about the condition. The part you seem very slow about is that lying about something and just not giving it from the start are 2 different things and not even closely related as far as cons go. The other thing you are real slow about (or maybe you like to see your name up on the screen) is why not concentrate on the fact that the guy lied about the cue (Runde,not the condition)??
Jim
I honestly didn't see the scratches on the pictures until someone here pointed them out....hard to see from the guys crappy pictures. I only found the auction with about 4 hours to go. I had always wanted a 6 pointer to go with my 8 pointer.
Regardless...the cue is off to Sherbine for a refinish. I look at it this way, it's another Schon that will be restored and put back into play in better shape than it was...and I like Schon cues.
Shorty
Regardless...the cue is off to Sherbine for a refinish. I look at it this way, it's another Schon that will be restored and put back into play in better shape than it was...and I like Schon cues.
Shorty
Thoughts ...
Shorty ... Are you going to get it rewrapped too, you have that scratch
down the wrap.. If you do, that is $80 by itself.
The seller misrepresented the cue plain and simple. He took pictures
of the cue's 'good sides' and not the damaged sides. Most states
have laws that are a derivative of the 'lemon law'. Deceptive sellers
also know that many buyers will go ahead and spend $100-!50 to fix
the damage rather than go through a $1,000 of aggravation trying
to get their money back, paperwork, and shipping the cue back. Deceptive
people don't make their money by 1 time big time fraud cons, they make
their money by small time small loss cons for the average person that
the average person won't bother with to try get it back. The ole
it's more trouble than it is worth thing. I had some checks stolen, the
account had been closed for a year and a half. The person went to
like 6 or 7 different places cashing my checks from $70 to $200, without
proper I.D.. They also took my JC Penny's card and charged $208 on it.
I got with the bank, and got an affadavit stating that is was fraud. Got
with the Police. I knew who had stolen it, and told them so. I got with
the stores and told them who it was. The stores did nothing, the Police
did nothing, the guy is still running around, and I still get a statement
from Penny's every month stating I owe the money even though I notified
them 3 different times about the fraud, and sent a copy of the bank
affadavit.
Bottom line - The internet provides additional 'smoke and mirrors' for
a deceptive person to do their work. Additional precautions should be
taken when buying anything over the net. Always print screens of
transactions and tracking numbers when buying, especially when dealing
with an 'unknown company' or an individual.
I know a woman that has just got into buying and selling on the internet.
She mostly buys jewelry and resells it. She buys under one username,
and sells under another. She bought some jewelry for $8. When she
resold it, the bid was up to $300. She did not misrepresent the jewelry.
I would never buy a cue off of Ebay. A cue is something that I have
to see in person (because of my many specifications for it) before I
would buy. But, I have a friend that bought a Harley off of EBay for
about $10,000, and it was in excellent condition.
Shorty said:
Shorty ... Are you going to get it rewrapped too, you have that scratch
down the wrap.. If you do, that is $80 by itself.
The seller misrepresented the cue plain and simple. He took pictures
of the cue's 'good sides' and not the damaged sides. Most states
have laws that are a derivative of the 'lemon law'. Deceptive sellers
also know that many buyers will go ahead and spend $100-!50 to fix
the damage rather than go through a $1,000 of aggravation trying
to get their money back, paperwork, and shipping the cue back. Deceptive
people don't make their money by 1 time big time fraud cons, they make
their money by small time small loss cons for the average person that
the average person won't bother with to try get it back. The ole
it's more trouble than it is worth thing. I had some checks stolen, the
account had been closed for a year and a half. The person went to
like 6 or 7 different places cashing my checks from $70 to $200, without
proper I.D.. They also took my JC Penny's card and charged $208 on it.
I got with the bank, and got an affadavit stating that is was fraud. Got
with the Police. I knew who had stolen it, and told them so. I got with
the stores and told them who it was. The stores did nothing, the Police
did nothing, the guy is still running around, and I still get a statement
from Penny's every month stating I owe the money even though I notified
them 3 different times about the fraud, and sent a copy of the bank
affadavit.
Bottom line - The internet provides additional 'smoke and mirrors' for
a deceptive person to do their work. Additional precautions should be
taken when buying anything over the net. Always print screens of
transactions and tracking numbers when buying, especially when dealing
with an 'unknown company' or an individual.
I know a woman that has just got into buying and selling on the internet.
She mostly buys jewelry and resells it. She buys under one username,
and sells under another. She bought some jewelry for $8. When she
resold it, the bid was up to $300. She did not misrepresent the jewelry.
I would never buy a cue off of Ebay. A cue is something that I have
to see in person (because of my many specifications for it) before I
would buy. But, I have a friend that bought a Harley off of EBay for
about $10,000, and it was in excellent condition.
Snapshot9 said:
LOL...I don't know where you getting your wraps dude...but around here they are 35-45...and Scott only charges 35. But yes, I am definately having it rewrapped in black with white spec irish linen. I don't want a leather because that would be putting even MORE into the cue.
Shorty