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DrCue'sProtege

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I use the Outsville template for breaking racks of 9B. And as you all know I have been breaking those racks on my new Diamond Professional. The issue is that I usually end up with about four balls all close together as shown in the diagram. In this case it's the 4B, 5B, 6B, and 9B. The 6B blocks the 5B into the upper corner and the 9B blocks the 5B into the bottom corner. Thus position from the 4B to the 5B is very difficult. All these balls so close together has been making runouts very difficult for me.

My question is simply - is this normal for a template?

r/DCP
 
I wouldn't know. Put the 5 elswhere/do something different with the cue ball/shoot the 4 from center table so you can land on the 6 and shoot the 5 in the side.
 
for every table and rack you have to experiment on where and how hard to hit the head ball and from where to put the cue ball.

but that layout is decent one to run out from.
 
straightline said:
I wouldn't know. Put the 5 elswhere/do something different with the cue ball/shoot the 4 from center table so you can land on the 6 and shoot the 5 in the side.
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That was my thought... 👍

OP, are you racking in the exact same numerical order every time? Pattern racking?

To my eye even if I'm not out, that's a pretty yummy looking rack after the break.
 
David in FL said:
That was my thought... 👍

OP, are you racking in the exact same numerical order every time? Pattern racking?

To my eye even if I'm not out, that's a pretty yummy looking rack after the break.
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No, not racking the balls the exact same way every time. I just used the 4B, 5B, and 6B as the example in this diagram. It could be any of the balls.

And it might look yummy but going from the 4B to the 5B is the key shot in this rack. Doesn't look like there is much there to me. I know I could not get this out. Maybe Efren or SVB could, who knows.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
No, not racking the balls the exact same way every time. I just used the 4B, 5B, and 6B as the example in this diagram. It could be any of the balls.

And it might look yummy but going from the 4B to the 5B is the key shot in this rack. Doesn't look like there is much there to me. I know I could not get this out. Maybe Efren or SVB could, who knows.
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It's not really a problem if the 5 ball is somewhere else is my point. For instance if the 5 and 7are swapped, is it still a problem going from the 4 to the 5?

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding though...
 
David in FL said:
It's not really a problem if the 5 ball is somewhere else is my point. For instance if the 5 and 7are swapped, is it still a problem going from the 4 to the 5?

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding though...
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No, of course not. But if - IF - is like the biggest word in the dictionary.

And also, at times with those few balls clustered together it can make getting around them really difficult. Sometime you only have one spot to get to so you can obtain position on the next ball.
 
Am I correct in seeing all 9 balls still on the table? Seems a bit unusual that using a template you aren't dropping a wing ball.

Check the template alignment to make sure you have it positioned and aligned as well possible. After that rack the balls the same way every time in an attempt to consistently "see" the spread after the break. You are working with a number of variables so try to be as consistent in your testing as possible.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:

I use the Outsville template for breaking racks of 9B. And as you all know I have been breaking those racks on my new Diamond Professional. The issue is that I usually end up with about four balls all close together as shown in the diagram. In this case it's the 4B, 5B, 6B, and 9B. The 6B blocks the 5B into the upper corner and the 9B blocks the 5B into the bottom corner. Thus position from the 4B to the 5B is very difficult. All these balls so close together has been making runouts very difficult for me.

My question is simply - is this normal for a template?

r/DCP
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What do they do when racked with a regular triangle rack?
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
What pockets are open???

Can't you see???
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I see fine, myself and others are convinced that you do not from the number of these types of threads you create.

Quite difficult for you is not for many.

If you have control of your cue ball you can position it for the 4 where you contact the six after and have access to two pockets for the 5. Or you can position the cue ball on the back side between the 6 & 9 for a shot in both corners or perhaps the side pockets if either the 6 or 9 is contacted.

I'm done with you and your smart ass replies.
 
Fore Rail said:
I see fine, myself and others are convinced that you do not from the number of these types of threads you create.

Quite difficult for you is not for many.

If you have control of your cue ball you can position it for the 4 where you contact the six after and have access to two pockets for the 5. Or you can position the cue ball on the back side between the 6 & 9 for a shot in both corners or perhaps the side pockets if either the 6 or 9 is contacted.

I'm done with you and your smart ass replies.
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Addition by subtraction.

And as I said above, you would have to be a really darn good player to do what he says.
 
I love the template racks and have a Diamond as well. From my experience, if you mishit the rack a little, clutters on one side rail can happen and it is usually the side you break from. I don’t know why this is, but it seems to be the case.
 
I've used all of the template racks. Own them all.

IMO, the Outsville rack has a bit of a learning curve that if you don't know how to load it, you are gonna slug yourself or at least not leave yourself a rack remotely as tight as some of the other templates.

With the Outsville rack, I found that if I load the first 8 balls then the last ball I load it and push up on the first 8 as well so they lock together and rest back onto the last ball. I hope that makes sense.

The Outsville rack is great because it is the thinnest of the templates.

My recommendation is the Fedor Gorst Magic Rack. Balls lock in place pretty easily with that one. Alex's template isn't bad either, that one requires a bit of nudging to get them perfect, but not much at all.

Also, keep in mind, template racks are consumable. They won't last forever and will start to wear out.
 
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