This is a game of 9-ball, I run until this point and then I usually miss or scratch, and my opponent goes on to win the game. What do you do here, is this shot possible?
This layout shows up quite often for me, what would you do?
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The double kiss safe
This is one possibility. With practice you can become very good at it. I learned it in a safety seminar taught by Glenn Bond here in Phoenix.
This is one possibility. With practice you can become very good at it. I learned it in a safety seminar taught by Glenn Bond here in Phoenix.
Perhaps this is too pragmatic, but I would focus on how you end up in such bad position and how to avoid it, before i practiced these big recovery shots.
In other words, there's a slew of options available when you're in this position, but most of them require precise ball control, razor thin aiming and perfect speed control. Of course, those same skills would also prevent you from being in this position most of the time....
-von
In other words, there's a slew of options available when you're in this position, but most of them require precise ball control, razor thin aiming and perfect speed control. Of course, those same skills would also prevent you from being in this position most of the time....
-von
Neil said:
I just try and bank it by the 9 with some right, in this case the 9 makes the shot a little easier to make. It is possible to spin the 8 in but that is not a very good percentage shot no matter who you are. Maybe also while banking go at the cheese haha.
Eric.
Yeah, yeah.... I know it looks nutty.. Might be worth practicing for 20-30 minutes though, just in CASE it comes up in a game. It's a three rail bank in the side, which, if it misses, has a decent chance to get safe.
This particular angle probably isn't "on" for either the cue ball path or the OB path, depending on the weather in your area. I think Buddy Hall suggested something like this. You can even hit this one "bad" and bank it right in the closest side..
I normally check my cue ball paths on these diagrams to see if the path is workable. This one I don't think will follow this "exact" path, (i.e. I don't think the 8 ball angle from rail 1 to rail 2 is right..) but it's just the general idea I am trying to put forth.These sorts of problems are why 9 ball players should also consider buying 3-Cushion DVDs from Accu-Stats..
(Be warned: There may be a kiss out where the ball paths interesct by the 9..)
Russ
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Russ Chewning said:
Yeah, yeah.... I know it looks nutty.. Might be worth practicing for 20-30 minutes though, just in CASE it comes up in a game. It's a three rail bank in the side, which, if it misses, has a decent chance to get safe.
This particular angle probably isn't "on" for either the cue ball path or the OB path, depending on the weather in your area. I think Buddy Hall suggested something like this. You can even hit this one "bad" and bank it right in the closest side..
These sorts of problems are why 9 ball players should also consider buying 3-Cushion DVDs from Accu-Stats..
(Be warned: There may be a kiss out where the ball paths interesct by the 9..)
Russ
Russ perhaps you really are a hustler as your title says
.......I was shown this shot from a now deceased Arizona player Steve Sutton.....(and will never forget it)......It really is not that hard to learn......At the time I was a lower rated player......Steve told me that the beautiful thing about the shot is that (since I was a lower rated player) virtually every opponent will think you were attempting a bank and got "lucky" on the leave...he was right...
BRKNRUN said:Russ perhaps you really are a hustler as your title says
I was shown this shot from a now deceased Arizona player Steve Sutton.....(and will never forget it)......It really is not that hard to learn......At the time I was a lower rated player......Steve told me that the beautiful thing about the shot is that (since I was a lower rated player) virtually every opponent will think you were attempting a bank and got "lucky" on the leave...he was right...
Eh.. I probably need to quit posting this stuff.. People are going to quit buying into Smorg's bull****. I can't help it, I like sharing knowledge...
Russ
another option...
I would probably bank it (depending on a number of factors- IE how I"M banking?, can my opponent bank? etc...)
IF the object ball is off the rail- definately bank it (either direction).
When the object ball is in contact with the rail, I prefer this:
The slight off-center hit (a gnat's eyelash) and low-outside spin make it fairly easy to hit the side rail- so you won't have to guess the speed to try to get the cueball all the way to the headrail for a legal shot.. Executed with the right speed/angle, The 8-ball travels less than a foot- and towards the middle of the rail. The cueball will return back down table at an ever-increasing angle. The further toward the head rail it goes- the better the leave result. Of course, now your opponent has that bank-shot you were too chicken to shoot
Ray
I would probably bank it (depending on a number of factors- IE how I"M banking?, can my opponent bank? etc...)
IF the object ball is off the rail- definately bank it (either direction).
When the object ball is in contact with the rail, I prefer this:
The slight off-center hit (a gnat's eyelash) and low-outside spin make it fairly easy to hit the side rail- so you won't have to guess the speed to try to get the cueball all the way to the headrail for a legal shot.. Executed with the right speed/angle, The 8-ball travels less than a foot- and towards the middle of the rail. The cueball will return back down table at an ever-increasing angle. The further toward the head rail it goes- the better the leave result. Of course, now your opponent has that bank-shot you were too chicken to shoot
Ray
I saw Kim Davenport execute this shot or something pretty close to it in an accustats match. Bill Incardona was the commentor, I believe, and he could not believe that Kim shot the ball like that.BRKNRUN said:Russ perhaps you really are a hustler as your title says
I was shown this shot from a now deceased Arizona player Steve Sutton.....(and will never forget it)......It really is not that hard to learn......At the time I was a lower rated player......Steve told me that the beautiful thing about the shot is that (since I was a lower rated player) virtually every opponent will think you were attempting a bank and got "lucky" on the leave...he was right...
He ended up missing the shot but I can't remember how bad he left his opponent because it has been a while since I saw it.
Ray.. I like your shot a lot.. Except, no reason to risk kissing the 8 ball further out into a makeable shot.. Just hit the cue ball with straight low dead center into the 8 ball, and the cue ball with kiss straight back to the same position that you diagrammed the cue ball going to.
Keep in mind, if you put spin on these type of kissbacks, the OB will pick up the oposite spin, which will make it travel further out into the table.
I think the best result would be leaving the 8 ball exactly where it is at, with the cue ball 9 feet away in the same spot.
Good job! I don't know why I didn't think of this, as the cue ball is close enough to get an accurate hit on this shot.
Russ
Keep in mind, if you put spin on these type of kissbacks, the OB will pick up the oposite spin, which will make it travel further out into the table.
I think the best result would be leaving the 8 ball exactly where it is at, with the cue ball 9 feet away in the same spot.
Good job! I don't know why I didn't think of this, as the cue ball is close enough to get an accurate hit on this shot.
Russ
BVal said:
i try to do it this way you sell out a bank but the bank leads the cueball away from the 9
Hehe, I agree with everyone who says, "how the heck did you end up in this position anyway?" Yeah yeah, im working on my speed and ball control. Anyway, would this be a possibility? Would it be legal?
poolplayer2093 said:
No good.. There's probably 1 square foot of area on the pool table that the 9 can't be made fairly easily from.
Russ
8-Ball Player said:
If the 8 ball is frozen to the rail, no, it is not legal. But if it were, this would be the likely response..
Russ
Russ Chewning said:
ahh, I see, thank you much for you posts Russ, I highly enjoy your knowlege.
anyway, so what if it was not frozen to the rail, say maybe a tiny tiny bit away from it, then would it be legal?
Yup, it would be legal.. But, again, this is hardly ever a good response, since either a masse off the 8 ball, or a thin hit sending the cue ball up table is the usual response.
Almost the only way it could turn out good for you is if you freeze the 8 ball to the rail and freeze the cue ball to the 8 ball. Even then, depending on the rules, a light masse may still be an option to put you back uptable..
Russ
Almost the only way it could turn out good for you is if you freeze the 8 ball to the rail and freeze the cue ball to the 8 ball. Even then, depending on the rules, a light masse may still be an option to put you back uptable..
Russ
Russ Chewning said:
ahhh I see... thanks again, now I know. Im going to go practice that shot right now..
Foul?
I shot this several times on my table to test the speed- and the 8-ball never moved more than 9" (left) or 4" off the footrail. I could plant the cueball on the headrail after a couple practice strokes. Like this: http://www.ncsdc.com/Pool/MOV05114.MPG (6.22MB)
Ray
Russ, IF the object ball is frozen to the rail, then the cueball MUST contact a rail, or the 8-ball MUST contact a different rail... That is why I choose the side rail... there's a HUGE margin of error if you hit too soft, or too hard...Russ Chewning said:
I shot this several times on my table to test the speed- and the 8-ball never moved more than 9" (left) or 4" off the footrail. I could plant the cueball on the headrail after a couple practice strokes. Like this: http://www.ncsdc.com/Pool/MOV05114.MPG (6.22MB)
Ray