Thornfeldt over Archer 11-5

I usually play on tables that have 3 3/4" pockets. I'd been told that the WPBA tables have very wide pockets. Last April, I went to Alpine, CA for a WPBA event to play in the charity pro-am and shot with Ga Young Kim, Pan XiaoTing and Karen Corr. I was surprised to find the Brunswick Metros being used for the tournament to be just a tad wider, maybe around 4".
 
john a loss

Granted she deserves credit for her win,but what doesWPBA stand for?? do you see any men in there tournys??? i cant recall any ,not pick on women , as i love trhem all just a question, what if the men invaded there tourny???:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
stick8 said:
Granted she deserves credit for her win,but what doesWPBA stand for?? do you see any men in there tournys??? i cant recall any ,not pick on women , as i love trhem all just a question, what if the men invaded there tourny???:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Invaded? The US Open is men only. Johnnyt
 
DarkArtist said:
I usually play on tables that have 3 3/4" pockets. I'd been told that the WPBA tables have very wide pockets. Last April, I went to Alpine, CA for a WPBA event to play in the charity pro-am and shot with Ga Young Kim, Pan XiaoTing and Karen Corr. I was surprised to find the Brunswick Metros being used for the tournament to be just a tad wider, maybe around 4".

Somehow I doubt this.
 
DarkArtist said:
I usually play on tables that have 3 3/4" pockets. I'd been told that the WPBA tables have very wide pockets. Last April, I went to Alpine, CA for a WPBA event to play in the charity pro-am and shot with Ga Young Kim, Pan XiaoTing and Karen Corr. I was surprised to find the Brunswick Metros being used for the tournament to be just a tad wider, maybe around 4".
GYK & XTP are awesome! I just love them and their style! I wish they would show them more often, along with Jasmin Ouschan on espn. If they did I would be tuned in much more as I'm sure many others would as well.
 
trueblu8 said:
GYK & XTP are awesome! I just love them and their style! I wish they would show them more often, along with Jasmin Ouschan on espn. If they did I would be tuned in much more as I'm sure many others would as well.

Yeah, I like them a lot too. Those three women have great style and stroke. Xiaoting is a real sweety in person.
 
Well, well, well. Heck of a result. Congrats Helena! Don't listen to the detractors. The LA Rams were close to winning Super Bowl XIV. Yah, until the second half that is. Someone told me somewhere that the score tells us who won and who lost. Qualifications are just some dingaling's way of crying in a beer and spoiling a perfectly good Budweiser.

tim
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Somehow I doubt this.

How little you really know about the Women's tour and it's top players
is really awe inspiring. The women changed to 4 inch pocket tables several years ago. I played in the Florida event last year and can attest that the tables were very tough. I practice regularly on Johnny's Olhaussens at his pool room (very tough because the pockets are also cut deep) and on two double shimmed at The Poolroom, Duluth and the tables I played on, in Florida were easily as tough.

Regarding Helena, since moving here 5 years ago, I have been constantly impressed at how she and Monica have played in many open events, against some of the best male players around and done consistently, very well. Almost always finishing in the money and often in the top 8.

And wasn't it just a few weeks ago that more than a few women pros played in the Derby and most defiantly held there own? Jeesh.
 
Big C said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. She has been a top player for the past decade, at least. Someday soon a female is going to snap off a big tournment and there will still be those that will chalk it up to luck, or easy equipment. The tables in these tournaments are not easy, even if it was a 7-footer. Show some respect. Helena and all the ladies deserve it.

you mean like when Karen Corr snaps off the Joss Tour events?
 
stick8 said:
Granted she deserves credit for her win,but what doesWPBA stand for?? do you see any men in there tournys??? i cant recall any ,not pick on women , as i love trhem all just a question, what if the men invaded there tourny???:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

the GSBT is not a men's only tour - it is an open event as are many regional tournaments. the UPA does not allow women, just as the WPBA does not. am I missing something here?
 
Look I know the women players are can play world class pool, and can beat any man in the world (with a few exceptions) on any given day. This has to do with 1) The women playing at a exceptional level 2) The format of winners break (which is I think one of the most ridiculous aspects of professional pool women or men) and 3) The emphasis on technique rather than physical strength required to play the game professionally. It didn't matter if alcano was a 12 year old girl with his soft break at the world pool championships, if you can play like that your going to smoke whoever you play. I was basing my assesment of womens professional pool off of what ive seen on ESPN with them running out on buckets, and then watching them play in the US open with diamond tables that has tighter pockets with deeper shelves. It was like watching people below local shortstops play. Lots of errors, the weak breaks not pocketing balls, etc. When you make pool require more physical strength like the IPT did, the women just couldn't play with the men. Although I think in a couple of years they would have caught up. And 3 3/4 inch pockets are super tight, I don't even know (around my area southern cal) where I can find pockets that tight. The downstairs tables at hollywood billiards are all 4" flat. I don't know what table 1 at Hard Times is, but I think it might be 4" flat too, but having a WPBA event on tables with exactly 4" wide pockets is not standard. You play on a 4" tables and hit the side rail virtually at all and the ball will rattle, but you see the pros in the WPC hit the side rail and at the right speed it will drop. So I understand the WPBA women can PLAY, its just usually when a women beats a top guy, there is an equalizing factor, sometimes not, but usually there is. The tougher the equipment the longer the race, with alternate breaks, the better play will win. However I still don't see helena beating johnny on a WPC table, thats all.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
Look I know the women players are can play world class pool, and can beat any man in the world (with a few exceptions) on any given day. This has to do with 1) The women playing at a exceptional level 2) The format of winners break (which is I think one of the most ridiculous aspects of professional pool women or men) and 3) The emphasis on technique rather than physical strength required to play the game professionally. It didn't matter if alcano was a 12 year old girl with his soft break at the world pool championships, if you can play like that your going to smoke whoever you play. I was basing my assesment of womens professional pool off of what ive seen on ESPN with them running out on buckets, and then watching them play in the US open with diamond tables that has tighter pockets with deeper shelves. It was like watching people below local shortstops play. Lots of errors, the weak breaks not pocketing balls, etc. When you make pool require more physical strength like the IPT did, the women just couldn't play with the men. Although I think in a couple of years they would have caught up. And 3 3/4 inch pockets are super tight, I don't even know (around my area southern cal) where I can find pockets that tight. The downstairs tables at hollywood billiards are all 4" flat. I don't know what table 1 at Hard Times is, but I think it might be 4" flat too, but having a WPBA event on tables with exactly 4" wide pockets is not standard. You play on a 4" tables and hit the side rail virtually at all and the ball will rattle, but you see the pros in the WPC hit the side rail and at the right speed it will drop. So I understand the WPBA women can PLAY, its just usually when a women beats a top guy, there is an equalizing factor, sometimes not, but usually there is. The tougher the equipment the longer the race, with alternate breaks, the better play will win. However I still don't see helena beating johnny on a WPC table, thats all.

just a few thoughts - the GSBT is racing to eleven, how much longer of a race do you need? if you are a big table player, do you not thing the smaller size of the table and the balls would make it tougher for you to adjust? and i would love to hear how you think the IPT required physical strength - that one is new to me.
 
9balllvr said:
just a few thoughts - the GSBT is racing to eleven, how much longer of a race do you need? if you are a big table player, do you not thing the smaller size of the table and the balls would make it tougher for you to adjust? and i would love to hear how you think the IPT required physical strength - that one is new to me.

Breaking from the box takes a stronger break with the slower cloth and tighter pockets, you didn't see any of the IPT matches? Allison Fisher talked about how her break hurt her in playing. 9 ball with simonis cloth is a bit different than 8 ball on nap. A 7 foot table in 8 ball might makes things more congested, but in 9 ball smaller is eaisier. And a race to 11 is long enough. Helena is a good player and congrats for her beating Johnny Archer.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
2) The format of winners break (which is I think one of the most ridiculous aspects of professional pool women or men)

and then watching them play in the US open


The WPBA uses an alternate break format and has done so for a couple of years.

And by "them" who are you talking about? Women are not allowed in the US Open?
 
cuechick said:
How little you really know about the Women's tour and it's top players
is really awe inspiring. The women changed to 4 inch pocket tables several years ago. I played in the Florida event last year and can attest that the tables were very tough. I practice regularly on Johnny's Olhaussens at his pool room (very tough because the pockets are also cut deep) and on two double shimmed at The Poolroom, Duluth and the tables I played on, in Florida were easily as tough.

Regarding Helena, since moving here 5 years ago, I have been constantly impressed at how she and Monica have played in many open events, against some of the best male players around and done consistently, very well. Almost always finishing in the money and often in the top 8.

And wasn't it just a few weeks ago that more than a few women pros played in the Derby and most defiantly held there own? Jeesh.


The Metros are 4.5". I've measured them. Still play plenty tough though.
 
I guess it will take one of the women to beat SVB(the new god of pool) in a tournament to get a some credit for being able to play a little. After all we all know that Johnny A. is on his last legs:rolleyes: . Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I guess it will take one of the women to beat SVB(the new god of pool) in a tournament to get a some credit for being able to play a little. After all we all know that Johnny A. is on his last legs:rolleyes: . Johnnyt

It would take that....actually.
 
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