Thoughts Anyone?

[maha]

its simple, if playing for money you set up the rules before you play and understand them.

if playing for fun, try to hit your ball wherever it is and who cares who wins, its for fun.

if you like to get in fights play safes and beat them with the ambiguous rules.

 

[alstl]

There are so many different rules used in 8 ball it is not possible with the information you provided to decide if you did anything wrong.

For me, speaking only for myself, for chump change in a bar I would let the guy have the game and keep quietly working the room. The less attention you draw to yourself the better.

 

[lorider]

It's you that doesn't understand the rules. Everyone involved in the original story played safe and accepted defense as within the rules.

Further, a rule set that requires offense no matter what is incomplete, since it doesn't deal with situations where an offensive shot will lose the game or where no offense is available. "No defense" is the single worst rule in all of pool.




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i believe it is you that does not understand the rules. :grin:

technically what the op's opponent did is defense " although bar rule players insist defense is chicken shit pool. " the op's opponent 's shot was within the rules although i consider it a nitty move.

the op's shot after his opponent's shot is illegal in bar rules. consequently the op's opponent decided since the op broke the rules he would also break the rules and take bih. that is when the shit hit the fan so to speak.

 

[lorider]

Wow this has turned into a good thread. I've had my battles with these guys for a couple of years now. I punish them beat them at their own game and they just won't convert to BIH rules. If I win the table more times than not if I try and change the game most won't play or they will boycott my table.

Makes you really wonder.

Black Cat

i understand you prefer league " or bih rules" and have no problem with that. i look at it this way though....when in rome do as the romans do. you are not the 1st to come on here and lament about trying to convert bar rules players to the way you prefer while you are on their home turf.

my reply is....do bar rules players come to your home turf and try to convert you to their rules ? think about how it looks from their perspective.

 

[longhair]

i believe it is you that does not understand the rules. :grin:



technically what the op's opponent did is defense " although bar rule players insist defense is chicken shit pool. " the op's opponent 's shot was within the rules although i consider it a nitty move.



the op's shot after his opponent's shot is illegal in bar rules. consequently the op's opponent decided since the op broke the rules he would also break the rules and take bih. that is when the shit hit the fan so to speak.

See my post about this earlier in the thread.

Here I was addressing only the post I quoted. I don't think we substantially disagree here.


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[lorider]

As everyone said it's the BS rules that create the problem.

If I was in that situation I might play smart ass and shoot in his ball, moving the cueball back behind the headstring in a location where he might have no bank or tough bank on the 8. At this point he is forced to bank out tough or attempt a kick on the 8 ball.

With the rules you had it seems you could trade "illegal shots" on the 8 and give BIH behind the headstring forever though. A little crazy really.

let me tell you what " crazy is ".

bcapl 8 ball is a points based game " just like apa 9 ball ", but every one says apa 9 ball aint real pool. wth does that make bcapl 8 ball then?

crazy is when ...you need 1 point for your team to win the nights match up. you dont have a shot at all so you hit your opponents ball 1st knocking your hanger into the pocket. yea i know its bih for your opponent...but if he fails to run out or reach his required points your team wins.

for a league that people brag about being for more serious or higher level players how the hell do you justify the most asinine rule i have ever heard of?

 

[longhair]

i understand you prefer league " or bih rules" and have no problem with that. i look at it this way though....when in rome do as the romans do. you are not the 1st to come on here and lament about trying to convert bar rules players to the way you prefer while you are on their home turf.



my reply is....do bar rules players come to your home turf and try to convert you to their rules ? think about how it looks from their perspective.

Totally. In a bar setting I will always play by the local rules. If I win a table and have a challenger I ask them what rules they are used to. As an experienced player I figure I can adjust better than most people.


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[lorider]

See my post about this earlier in the thread.

Here I was addressing only the post I quoted. I don't think we substantially disagree here.


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i went back and found where you posted on #17. seems like we both agreed their.

looks like i took your above post out of context. my bad .

 

[longhair]

i went back and found where you posted on #17. seems like we both agreed their.



looks like i took your above post out of context. my bad .

No worries! I'm sure it's the fault of my writing.


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[TheNewSharkster]

This thread made me think of a funny story from years and years ago.

I was playing 8ball bar rules with a friend. The 8ball is behind the headstring. My opponent has his last ball behind the headstring.

He does the same thing that happened to the OP. Shoots the cue ball into a pocket to force me into kicking at the 8ball.

I was pissed. He didn't even try and hide it. Just fired the cue ball into the pocket. I came up with a GRAND idea. I decided to take the cue ball and shoot it into a pocket since his last ball was behind the headstring.

HAHA I had forgot in all my pissyness that it was loss of game if you scratched while on the 8ball :thumbup:

Good times! We all had a good laugh about it afterwards.

 

[lorider]

This thread made me think of a funny story from years and years ago.

I was playing 8ball bar rules with a friend. The 8ball is behind the headstring. My opponent has his last ball behind the headstring.

He does the same thing that happened to the OP. Shoots the cue ball into a pocket to force me into kicking at the 8ball.

I was pissed. He didn't even try and hide it. Just fired the cue ball into the pocket. I came up with a GRAND idea. I decided to take the cue ball and shoot it into a pocket since his last ball was behind the headstring.

HAHA I had forgot in all my pissyness that it was loss of game if you scratched while on the 8ball :thumbup:

Good times! We all had a good laugh about it afterwards.

man i darn sear spit my drink all over my key board . that is some funny chit there . lmao. :thumbup:

 

[Black Cat 5791]

let me tell you what " crazy is ".

bcapl 8 ball is a points based game " just like apa 9 ball ", but every one says apa 9 ball aint real pool. wth does that make bcapl 8 ball then?

crazy is when ...you need 1 point for your team to win the nights match up. you dont have a shot at all so you hit your opponents ball 1st knocking your hanger into the pocket. yea i know its bih for your opponent...but if he fails to run out or reach his required points your team wins.

for a league that people brag about being for more serious or higher level players how the hell do you justify the most asinine rule i have ever heard of?

Now that's funny.

This thread made me think of a funny story from years and years ago.

I was playing 8ball bar rules with a friend. The 8ball is behind the headstring. My opponent has his last ball behind the headstring.

He does the same thing that happened to the OP. Shoots the cue ball into a pocket to force me into kicking at the 8ball.

I was pissed. He didn't even try and hide it. Just fired the cue ball into the pocket. I came up with a GRAND idea. I decided to take the cue ball and shoot it into a pocket since his last ball was behind the headstring.

HAHA I had forgot in all my pissyness that it was loss of game if you scratched while on the 8ball

Good times! We all had a good laugh about it afterwards.

 

[fastone371]

being a strictly bar rule player for 20 odd years before finally joining leagues a few years ago let me clear up a few misconceptions .

bar rules do vary some what from region to region . and .... you will always run into some one who dont know shit from china what the rules are...just like i see in league from time to time.

i played in darn near every bar that exiseted from daytona to west palm beach from 1970 to 1989.... with occasional forays into georgia and alabama. the rules were always the same every where i went during that time....with the exception of some times people wanted to play bank the 8 or last pocket 8.

those 2 rules came from the latin influence in south florida and some times people preferred to change up from the same old ....same old. those 2 rules were always stated up front before a match began.

the rules were always pretty simple.

call your shot

if the 8 was in the kitchen and your opponent scratched you kicked from the kitchen

you had to call when you were intentionally caroming off another ball.

i mean no dis respect to any one on here about what i am gonna say next.

with the large influx of northerners coming down to florida in the mid 80's is when i started encountering all the bs rules you guys complain about concerning bar rules.

just a few examples

me; 8 in the corner
him : you did not call the rail...you lost
me: what do you mean i did not call the rail...it hit 1'' from the pocket.
him: that is a bank..you did not call it.
me: i never heard of that rule...where are you from ?
him: ohio
me: it figures.

me. i am kicking the 8 in the kitchen cause he scratched on purpose.
him: you missed the 8...you lost.
me: what do you mean i lost...i did not scratch and it did not go in the wrong pocket.
him: you have to make contact with the 8
me: i never heard of that rule...where you from ?
him: new york.
me: it figures.


me 8 in the side off your 2 ball....it goes just like i called it.
him: you lost....you did not hit the 8 clean. the 8 can not hit another ball when you pocket it
me: never heard of such a rule...where you from ?
him: wisconsin
me it figures

i think having played bars most of my life and then getting heavily involved in leagues several years ago give me a better perspective than most of you guys.

imagine slow rolling the 8 towards a corner pocket to avoid scratching...it does not fall....your opponent says i get to place the cull ball any where i want because you did not pocket it and nothing hit a rail. being an old bar player that was the most stupid rule i ever heard of at the time.

imagine playing bar rule your whole life and a guy wants to play 9 ball after you win 5 in a row playing bar rule 8 ball with him. he lucks in the 5 ball and gets to keep shooting. i am sitting there thinking that is the stupidest rule i ever heard of. how can you get to keep shooting when you failed to make the shot you were attempting?

let me clarify one last thing. the call your shot rule is to eliminate any slop shot. a lot of bar rule haters seem to bring this rule up a lot.


let me ask you this. you guys seem to hate apa for allowing slop...why hate on a bar rule that eliminates slop ? you guys always brag that other leagues are superior to apa for the slop allowed in that league. there is a world of difference between call your shot and call your pocket.

It is not all the northerners that play like that. I played in a Milwaukee bar league for 2 years, there they like the call shot game instead of call pocket because it makes the game last longer, just like playing bank pool, you get more shots for your money. I frequently had guys ask to play for $5.00 a game, we always agreed to BCA rules then for clarity's sake. I now play pool in Fond Du Lac, about an hour north of Milwaukee, its almost all BCA type pool there. After playing both BCA and bar rules, I definately like BCA better. You still have a lot of safeties in bar rules, which is supposed to be all offensive pool, they are just simply disguised to look like an honest attempt was made to pocket a ball.