AtLarge said:
Agree completely. I made the video mostly to open peoples' eyes to....as monty python would say... something completely different. not for everyone... I'm just saying I throw for every 14.1 breakshot with high success.
Throwing Your Cue....
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Agree completely. I made the video mostly to open peoples' eyes to....as monty python would say... something completely different. not for everyone... I'm just saying I throw for every 14.1 breakshot with high success.
SUPERSTAR said:I am still waiting (yawn) for the draw shot videos, and the 2 rails and out (yawn) high inside english videos.
Hey yawner--- I'm getting my cue re-tipped (my layered tip fell apart, see above. Not from throwing, but it must've been defective). I'm flying home from Boston tonight and should get it back tomorrow. You'll have your video, relax.
SUPERSTAR said:
This is the 2nd tip in a row that blew on me. I'm done with anything layered. I'd rather get a triangle and re-tip every other month.
Everything "new" in a stroke is actually an evolution
AtLarge:
Well put, and I respect your rebuttal. (Apologies to you, btw, for the late reply to this post; lots and lots of reading material here in these forums and it'd been a while since I'd time to revisit this particular thread.)
One thing I wanted to make clear about my post was that I was trying to offer an explanation to why it might've been very difficult for some readers to have success with Dave's version of the throwing the cue technique -- i.e. the complete droppage of the cue. *Of course* Dave's exaggerated version of this technique would not be the end-result "polished" version of the technique that you allude to. Almost every new "very anomalous" technique gets "polished down" to a final product over time, and I'm sure in due time, practitioners of Dave's version of the "throwing the cue" technique will evolve the technique to a point where actually dropping the cue on the table is not needed or wanted. Obviously, the exaggerated version of actually fully letting go of the cue won't work when, e.g., jacked-up over an obstructed ball, or jacked-up over the rail (cue ball frozen to the rail), or even shooting with a level cue at a cue ball frozen to the rail (in this case the cue would fall to the floor). Two things are for sure with any new technique -- evolution and personalization. I actually discovered the accuracy of the "throwing the cue" technique by accident many years ago, when I was in a match, and I discovered when stroking through a shot, that my cue was diverting a little to the left (I'm right-handed) because the wrapless cue I was using at the time (a now long-lost Meucci) was "clinging" to the palm of my perspiring right hand. As I was stroking through, I felt the cue cling to the pad of flesh just behind the 1st knuckle of my index finger, and since this pad of flesh was physically positioned on the right-hand side of the cue's gripping surface, it was ever so slightly pulling the butt of the cue to the right, resulting in the cue tip being diverting to the left. (Yes, amazing that I had the lucidity to notice something minute like this during a stressful match.) I didn't have time for any kind of "stroke mechanics analysis" and instead had to employ an "emergency patch" to this boo-boo if I was to have any hope of finishing high in this tournament. So I thought, "Cue adhering to my hand on the follow-through? Let go of the cue completely and let it 'spear' the cue ball." I tried that (but catching the cue in flight after I was sure the cue ball had already left the cue's tip), and oh my gosh, it worked! I was hitting the center of the pockets, and I ended up finishing second in the tournament.
My point here is that evolution and personalization almost inevitably takes place with any new technique, no matter how unorthodox that technique is. My personal evolution with the "throwing the cue" technique resulted in a combination of the traditional slip-stroke (letting my grip hand slip backwards on the final backstroke) and "momentum slippage" (i.e. letting the cue's forward momentum cause the cue to slide a bit forward in my gripping hand, letting it "spear through" the cue ball and letting friction on the contact points in my grip hand catch it to stop it). Lately, I've even nixed the traditional slip-stroke phase altogether to try to simplify things, by merely moving my gripping hand further back on the cue to begin with, and this improved pin-point accuracy even further -- one less "moving part that could go wrong."
Hope this is a helpful follow-up / explanation!
-Sean
AtLarge said:
AtLarge:
Well put, and I respect your rebuttal. (Apologies to you, btw, for the late reply to this post; lots and lots of reading material here in these forums and it'd been a while since I'd time to revisit this particular thread.)
One thing I wanted to make clear about my post was that I was trying to offer an explanation to why it might've been very difficult for some readers to have success with Dave's version of the throwing the cue technique -- i.e. the complete droppage of the cue. *Of course* Dave's exaggerated version of this technique would not be the end-result "polished" version of the technique that you allude to. Almost every new "very anomalous" technique gets "polished down" to a final product over time, and I'm sure in due time, practitioners of Dave's version of the "throwing the cue" technique will evolve the technique to a point where actually dropping the cue on the table is not needed or wanted. Obviously, the exaggerated version of actually fully letting go of the cue won't work when, e.g., jacked-up over an obstructed ball, or jacked-up over the rail (cue ball frozen to the rail), or even shooting with a level cue at a cue ball frozen to the rail (in this case the cue would fall to the floor). Two things are for sure with any new technique -- evolution and personalization. I actually discovered the accuracy of the "throwing the cue" technique by accident many years ago, when I was in a match, and I discovered when stroking through a shot, that my cue was diverting a little to the left (I'm right-handed) because the wrapless cue I was using at the time (a now long-lost Meucci) was "clinging" to the palm of my perspiring right hand. As I was stroking through, I felt the cue cling to the pad of flesh just behind the 1st knuckle of my index finger, and since this pad of flesh was physically positioned on the right-hand side of the cue's gripping surface, it was ever so slightly pulling the butt of the cue to the right, resulting in the cue tip being diverting to the left. (Yes, amazing that I had the lucidity to notice something minute like this during a stressful match.) I didn't have time for any kind of "stroke mechanics analysis" and instead had to employ an "emergency patch" to this boo-boo if I was to have any hope of finishing high in this tournament. So I thought, "Cue adhering to my hand on the follow-through? Let go of the cue completely and let it 'spear' the cue ball." I tried that (but catching the cue in flight after I was sure the cue ball had already left the cue's tip), and oh my gosh, it worked! I was hitting the center of the pockets, and I ended up finishing second in the tournament.
My point here is that evolution and personalization almost inevitably takes place with any new technique, no matter how unorthodox that technique is. My personal evolution with the "throwing the cue" technique resulted in a combination of the traditional slip-stroke (letting my grip hand slip backwards on the final backstroke) and "momentum slippage" (i.e. letting the cue's forward momentum cause the cue to slide a bit forward in my gripping hand, letting it "spear through" the cue ball and letting friction on the contact points in my grip hand catch it to stop it). Lately, I've even nixed the traditional slip-stroke phase altogether to try to simplify things, by merely moving my gripping hand further back on the cue to begin with, and this improved pin-point accuracy even further -- one less "moving part that could go wrong."
Hope this is a helpful follow-up / explanation!
-Sean