Tim Scruggs cue FS

hey

SCCues said:
Here's link for the Tim Scruggs cue i'm listing for sale if anyone's interested. It's a plain cocobolo cue and it's a great cue without spending the big bucks it costs for the fancier inlaid cues. The auction ends this coming Saturday.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7163316959&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1

SCCues
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you won't ship the cue until the money clears your account? what about paypal and having the money? I don't know anyone who's going to buy a cue then wait until a CHECK clears. that could be a week before the check even clears. I hope it sells on your terms. good luck! I know I passed it up because of this reason.
 
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duke@neo.rr.com said:
you won't ship the cue until the money clears your account? what about paypal and having the money? I don't know anyone who's going to buy a cue then wait until a CHECK clears. that could be a week before the check even clears. I hope it sells on your terms. good luck! I know I passed it up because of this reason.
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I will never ship a cue until the funds have cleared.

Of course the time it takes for clearing varies by whatever method is used for payment. PayPal with a credit card is quick but then the fees come into play. If I receive a personal check or some off brand cashiers check/money order I will certainly wait until the money has cleared all the administrative hurdles before shipping. I don't know anybody in their right mind that would ship a cue based just on receiving a check. Talk about asking for it.

Plenty of people understand that it isn't reasonable for items to be shipped before funds have cleared. For example, I sold three cues in one deal to a guy for $8000, he sent me an off brand money order, the cues were delayed for 4 days as the funds cleared. He had no problem with this.

I prefer U.S. Post Office money orders when receiving payment. I take the packaged cue to the Post Office, cash the money order(s) right there (ensuring they are legit), and then ship the cue.

There was a story going around a while back about a guy who got $5000 in U.S. Post Office money orders for a sale, he deposited them at his bank as opposed to cashing them at the Post Office, he shipped the cue, and it turned out the money orders were fake. He had to eat the loss.

This is why you wait until the payment clears.
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
you won't ship the cue until the money clears your account? what about paypal and having the money? I don't know anyone who's going to buy a cue then wait until a CHECK clears. that could be a week before the check even clears. I hope it sells on your terms. good luck! I know I passed it up because of this reason.
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Maybe I didn't explain the payment terms correctly in my listing for the cue. I'll ship the cue the day I have the money to pay for it which is customary for almost all cue sales on ebay. The only hold up for me shipping the cue would be if a buyer wanted to pay for the cue with a personal check. I'd be foolish to ship my cue right away when all I had was a personal check for my payment. If the payment was a money order, certified check, or paypal i'd ship the cue right away, ASAP. I guess it would have been clearer if I stated that I wouldn't accept a personal check as payment for the cue, my mistake.

Thanks for pointing that out because I didn't realize there was a problem in my ebay listing.

SCCues
 
TheFish said:
would you ship it to Hong Kong?
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NO, sorry but the cue isn't going to sell for enough money for me to get involved with international shipping.

SCCues
 
SCCues,

A lot of banks now are putting holds on funds for money orders too (usually 3-5 days) because of increased instances of forgeries You may want to check with your banker and to be safe allow the funds to "clear" on those too if you are dealing with someone you don't know or do business with, especailly overseas. I would closely examine the money order and don't always assume it's legit when you are dealing with somone you don't know.

Sean
 
cueaddicts said:
SCCues,

A lot of banks now are putting holds on funds for money orders too (usually 3-5 days) because of increased instances of forgeries You may want to check with your banker and to be safe allow the funds to "clear" on those too if you are dealing with someone you don't know or do business with, especailly overseas. I would closely examine the money order and don't always assume it's legit when you are dealing with somone you don't know.

Sean
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It's quite a shame, that USA doesn't have a nationwide banking system which would allow money transfer within a bank or between banks. No hassle with checks or credit cards and forgeries. I've paid for so many things with straight bank transfer. Also, here in Finland you can send things with postal advance. After the package arrives to a post office nearby me, I get the package after paying the post office the required amount and the office transfers the money straight to the sellers account. Very easy and almost fool-proof system of selling items to unknown people.

Btw, Sean. My Scruggs cue is great ! Thanks to Sean, he's a pleasure to do business with ! :D :cool:

I'd buy this Scruggs as well, but so far no extra money has showed up...
 
That kinda sucks, really like it.

What if i paid thru paypal but had it shipped to my friend in California? would that be ok? I am a verified paypal member.
 
mjantti said:
It's quite a shame, that USA doesn't have a nationwide banking system which would allow money transfer within a bank or between banks. No hassle with checks or credit cards and forgeries. I've paid for so many things with straight bank transfer. Also, here in Finland you can send things with postal advance. After the package arrives to a post office nearby me, I get the package after paying the post office the required amount and the office transfers the money straight to the sellers account. Very easy and almost fool-proof system of selling items to unknown people.

Btw, Sean. My Scruggs cue is great ! Thanks to Sean, he's a pleasure to do business with ! :D :cool:

I'd buy this Scruggs as well, but so far no extra money has showed up...
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I do bank wire transfers for my international customers all the time... Not a problem.. I even do it for domestic customers.
 
TheFish said:
That kinda sucks, really like it.

What if i paid thru paypal but had it shipped to my friend in California? would that be ok? I am a verified paypal member.
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I'd be glad to ship the cue to California for you, but paypal is expensive. Would you be willing to help with the extra paypal charges? I have a Paypal account, but I usually don't accept it on expensive items like cues because of their fees.

SCCues
 
Wire transfers work great (use them sometimes for repeat customers), but if you are dealing with someone you don't know at all, especially overseas, they have your bank routing # and account #. If they were somehow able to get more of your personal information, you could be SOL if someone unscrupulous wanted to pull off a scam.

To me that's a little uncomfortable.
 
mjantti said:
It's quite a shame, that USA doesn't have a nationwide banking system which would allow money transfer within a bank or between banks. No hassle with checks or credit cards and forgeries. I've paid for so many things with straight bank transfer. Also, here in Finland you can send things with postal advance. After the package arrives to a post office nearby me, I get the package after paying the post office the required amount and the office transfers the money straight to the sellers account. Very easy and almost fool-proof system of selling items to unknown people.

Btw, Sean. My Scruggs cue is great ! Thanks to Sean, he's a pleasure to do business with ! :D :cool:

I'd buy this Scruggs as well, but so far no extra money has showed up...
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The USA does have some similarities to what you're stating.

- The banking system has the ACH concept for quick transfers between accounts in the same/different banks - typically a business-business or business-consumer system (not person to person). Stranglely, an individual can use on-line banking "for free" to send a paper check that costs the bank printing and postage (about $0.50), but the bank won't do a free on-line ACH transfer that only costs the bank $0.10.

- Wire transfers are same day, but the fees are $5 to $20.

- The post office has Collect On Delivery (COD) for up to $1,000, though I'm not sure how the money flow works. UPS has something similar.
 
duke@neo.rr.com said:
you won't ship the cue until the money clears your account? what about paypal and having the money? I don't know anyone who's going to buy a cue then wait until a CHECK clears. that could be a week before the check even clears. I hope it sells on your terms. good luck! I know I passed it up because of this reason.
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I don't know what all the confusion is about. This is the line from the description:

"Personal checks are accepted but I will not ship the cue until they clear my bank."

It seems pretty straight-forward and understandable to me, and this is pretty much standard practice for accepting a personal check for payment on any eBay item, not just a high $ cue.
 
Escrow works best for me. The money is with the escrow agent who also does a great job at objectively inspecting the cue. Proficient is great at this. Its best that the escrow fee is split between the two parties. ;)
 
cueaddicts said:
Wire transfers work great (use them sometimes for repeat customers), but if you are dealing with someone you don't know at all, especially overseas, they have your bank routing # and account #. If they were somehow able to get more of your personal information, you could be SOL if someone unscrupulous wanted to pull off a scam.

To me that's a little uncomfortable.
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Hmm, I bet there are much more problems with checks and credit cards than wire transfers, eh ? Or, it's a local bank policy not to be too strick on personal information issues ? I have never heard someone could use other people's account numbers for scams here in Finland. Maybe the system is slightly different there than in here ? Everything in here is dealt with wire transfers, I have never used a check in my life and I don't know anyone who uses them. I haven't paid bills in cash either. Only with wire transfers for as long as I've paid my own bills. And for the latest 5 or so years I don't even have to go to a bank anymore, everything can be dealt from the internet. And the web bank sites are the safest there are, in my bank there is no way you can get screwed over the internet, unless you lose the list of passwords you're given and some shady character finds them before you can cancel the passwords.

Sorry for going off-topic here... :)
 
monski said:
Escrow works best for me. The money is with the escrow agent who also does a great job at objectively inspecting the cue. Proficient is great at this. Its best that the escrow fee is split between the two parties. ;)
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Escrow does work but it backfires sometimes. I had a cue for sale($2800.00) and a guy wanted to use escrow and asked if i'd ship the cue to Proficient(i used Fed ex overnite, $46.00). The guy buying the cue was supposedly a very respected cue collector and had done deals with Proficient in the past. Anyway Proficient gave my cue a mint cond. rating and sent the results to both of us. Well the buyer decided not to do the deal and tried to negotiate a lower price, i said no. I then had to send Proficient another m.o. to have it sent back to me overnite(another $46+). I guess it could have been worse if he stuck me with the escrow fees too but I told him if we use escrow he was responsible for the fees and called Scott to make sure. So in the end it cost me $96.00 to have the cue see what Scott's shop looked like.
 
roymjr said:
Escrow does work but it backfires sometimes. I had a cue for sale($2800.00) and a guy wanted to use escrow and asked if i'd ship the cue to Proficient(i used Fed ex overnite, $46.00). The guy buying the cue was supposedly a very respected cue collector and had done deals with Proficient in the past. Anyway Proficient gave my cue a mint cond. rating and sent the results to both of us. Well the buyer decided not to do the deal and tried to negotiate a lower price, i said no. I then had to send Proficient another m.o. to have it sent back to me overnite(another $46+). I guess it could have been worse if he stuck me with the escrow fees too but I told him if we use escrow he was responsible for the fees and called Scott to make sure. So in the end it cost me $96.00 to have the cue see what Scott's shop looked like.
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Why did you spend extra on overnight ?
 
Regulator1956 said:
Why did you spend extra on overnight ?[/QUO I almost always use overnite on high-end cues. I don't like the idea of them laying around in a wharehouse or the back of a truck somewhere for a few days. Plus ins. is $1.00 on a hundred
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I'm really surprised that this cue didn't receive any bids...it could have sold for $500. Seemed like a good deal...what happened? :confused:
 
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