Tip Contact Location Difference between 9-Ball and 14.1

bbb said:
last post for me
most people that use your device are using it to develop a straight and accurate stroke
because if they cant do that then they will be off on the "other 99%" of shots in pool
and again they dont need your gadget to know they "hit it bad"
i am done
thats my opinion and i am sticking to it
you are entitled to yours
i do not care to debate it further
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I have to say I'm rather shocked at your indignation toward the digiball(?) gizmo. It seems like a legit device. Stan has been peddling verifiable bullshit aiming methods for 20 years and you've never once called him out on it. I know you are a very smart guy so it never made sense to me.
 
I don't get it. What's the comparison?

Am I not allowed to ask justnumb his credentials either?
 
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Dan White said:
I have to say I'm rather shocked at your indignation toward the digiball(?) gizmo. It seems like a legit device. Stan has been peddling verifiable bullshit aiming methods for 20 years and you've never once called him out on it. I know you are a very smart guy so it never made sense to me.
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My read was that bbb was expressing skepticism to some pretty grand claims.

I don't mind a guy pitching his invention on here to get sales. However, just as he can jump on here and say stuff to sell his doo-hickey, others can jump on and enunciate their skepticism.

Lay off my man, bbb, bud. Or don't...it's an open forum.
 
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Did you know that missing your spot on the cue ball by 1mm left or right can result in a missed shot?

I think people can learn tons using rpms to work on draw stroke and how your contact point may change compared to what you thought it was as stroke speed increases.

Take breaking. How close to center do you hit at break speed? Would you even know if you were a mm off? I think even good players could find this very useful.
 
Can you place a sensor in an OB that connects to another dime sized sensor you place on any pocket and the OB displays a little red dot for the contact point that’s directly in line with the pocket sensor? Could be beneficial for beginners or even higher ranked players cause no matter what aiming system you use you have to contact the red dot
 
As he said, he is an engineer. In plenty of sports it is not players or coaches making the innovations. Take cycling for example, it's doctors, engineers, and nutritionist who are pushing the sport forward innovating the technology and methods used for racing and training, not the riders. They specialize in the act of racing.
pvc lou said:
So natdadhro is a coach? I didn't know that. So what?
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He said his digi ball will help you improve more quickly without chasing your tail or beating your bush or something.

bbb questioned that claim (I think correctly). Then I asked natadhererrro what his fargorate is...thinking it would provide some credence to his claim.

then kingthing said josh filler has a coach. and you say nataderiherho is an engineer.

ok fine. i say sally sells sea shells by the seashore.
 
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pvc lou said:
What’s your fargorate bro?
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My Fargorate is probably similar to most members of this forum, slightly above average. It is easy to prove that I am at least the speed on the left end of the red line because you can look me up (447 robustness) in the public data base. I haven't played in Fargorate-saved tournaments in a few years, but I claim that I am now closer to a 600 speed. I can't really prove this claim other than my word and what other players tell me I now play at.

As pointed out, I am an engineer with an MSEE and a lifetime of hardware design experience. I am not a pool coach and I do not have the credentials to be a one-on-one instructor for high level players. However I do indeed have enough knowledge about the sport to create a training aid that exposes to us the information that all of us here knows is important... exact tip position.

I hope this answers your question!

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Dan White said:
I have to say I'm rather shocked at your indignation toward the digiball(?) gizmo. It seems like a legit device. Stan has been peddling verifiable bullshit aiming methods for 20 years and you've never once called him out on it. I know you are a very smart guy so it never made sense to me.
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taking cranky pills today dan?
you have a hardon for stan and CTE..we do not agree on your premise to save the pool world and players from him and CTE
where you and stand is known to both of us so there is no need to rehash it
for the record i own a digicue and a q-MD
its nice that it provides data but it doesnt tell you how to fix it and most of the data i believe can be ascertained close enough without it
i pm'ed nataddrho since he said the digiball could help in the" other 99% of pool shots " besides straight ins
since we agreed you could improve without it
the amount of info he showed that could be calculated with it was overwhelming to me and most of the data would not be helpful to me
although a few data points could have some use
i will state again
if you miss by 1mm and the digiball tells you that
SO WHAT????
how are you going to fix it?
if you didnt know that you would practice until you got consistent enough to get the results you want consistently and then at that point in time the digiball would tell you that now you only miss by .02 mm
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now you have proof you have improved
so it was worth buying it.....;)
i do believe that some technology can be beneficial as this is not caveman times
and if you think it will help you
go buy it
i might even buy it out of curiosity but not because i think it will significantly help me
i thought i was was done with this discussion as its a big waste of my time to have to defend myself
but i cant ignore a direct attack on me like you did dan
@pvc lou thank you for your support....(y)
 
bbb said:
taking cranky pills today dan?
you have a hardon for stan and CTE..we do not agree on your premise to save the pool world and players from him and CTE
where you and stand is known to both of us so there is no need to rehash it
for the record i own a digicue and a q-MD
its nice that it provides data but it doesnt tell you how to fix it and most of the data i believe can be ascertained close enough without it
i pm'ed nataddrho since he said the digiball could help in the" other 99% of pool shots " besides straight ins
since we agreed you could improve without it
the amount of info he showed that could be calculated with it was overwhelming to me and most of the data would not be helpful to me
although a few data points could have some use
i will state again
if you miss by 1mm and the digiball tells you that
SO WHAT????
how are you going to fix it?
if you didnt know that you would practice until you got consistent enough to get the results you want consistently and then at that point in time the digiball would tell you that now you only miss by .02 mm
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now you have proof you have improved
so it was worth buying it.....;)
i do believe that some technology can be beneficial as this is not caveman times
and if you think it will help you
go buy it
i might even buy it out of curiosity but not because i think it will significantly help me
i thought i was was done with this discussion as its a big waste of my time to have to defend myself
but i cant ignore a direct attack on me like you did dan
@pvc lou thank you for your support....(y)
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I value your feedback and I enjoyed our discussion. You have a very reasonable perspective, and this was good because it made me think about how to address it.

I now think that perhaps a better way to articulate the benefit of the DigiBall is that it gets you to focus on your pre-shot routine more. I want it to help you transition from becoming an outcome based player, to a process based player.

I don’t expect anybody to look at a 0.02mm result and expect to know how to adjust for 0.02mm. I want players to first visualize exactly where their brain wants them to hit the ball, and then see how consistent they are statistically.

The idea is that the more you get used to focus and making your shot completely procedural, you will start cueing closer to there you intend to. I think people’s poor PSRs hold them back. The DigiBall information will validate their PSR quickly.

When you are shooting pool, you don’t want to feel any “hope”. Only “conviction.”
 
nataddrho said:
I value your feedback and I enjoyed our discussion. You have a very reasonable perspective, and this was good because it made me think about how to address it.

I now think that perhaps a better way to articulate the benefit of the DigiBall is that it gets you to focus on your pre-shot routine more. I want it to help you transition from becoming an outcome based player, to a process based player.

I don’t expect anybody to look at a 0.02mm result and expect to know how to adjust for 0.02mm. I want players to first visualize exactly where their brain wants them to hit the ball, and then see how consistent they are statistically.

The idea is that the more you get used to focus and making your shot completely procedural, you will start cueing closer to there you intend to. I think people’s poor PSRs hold them back. The DigiBall information will validate their PSR quickly.

When you are shooting pool, you don’t want to feel any “hope”. Only “conviction.”
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No shortage of uses for the Digiball. It will be interesting to run a rack of 9-ball, calling the tip position before each shot, and then after the run, check the app to see how well you did.

I agree that this is a significant advance.

You might also think about making one in a snooker ball size.
 
gerryf said:
No shortage of uses for the Digiball. It will be interesting to run a rack of 9-ball, calling the tip position before each shot, and then after the run, check the app to see how well you did.

I agree that this is a significant advance.

You might also think about making one in a snooker ball size.
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That is my favorite way to use it. I put on ear buds, and then play 9 ball, and call each shot in my head. Then the ear buds say what the English actually was to the nearest minute, and I can imagine more about exactly why something happened.

Snooker, pool and carom will be supported.
 
😂This thread is like what I imagine the first thread about carbon fiber shafts was like judging by the hundreds I have seen.

Someone advances the sport a bit and everyone who had a niche making money some how has a gigantic bowel movement and their sycophants agree.
 
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nataddrho said:
I value your feedback and I enjoyed our discussion. You have a very reasonable perspective, and this was good because it made me think about how to address it.

I now think that perhaps a better way to articulate the benefit of the DigiBall is that it gets you to focus on your pre-shot routine more. I want it to help you transition from becoming an outcome based player, to a process based player.

I don’t expect anybody to look at a 0.02mm result and expect to know how to adjust for 0.02mm. I want players to first visualize exactly where their brain wants them to hit the ball, and then see how consistent they are statistically.

The idea is that the more you get used to focus and making your shot completely procedural, you will start cueing closer to there you intend to. I think people’s poor PSRs hold them back. The DigiBall information will validate their PSR quickly.

When you are shooting pool, you don’t want to feel any “hope”. Only “conviction.”
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Our interactions have been respectful
the way it should be…..(y)
i state my opinion and you respond to my statement
Its nothing personal
everyone is on their own journey to try to play better
how you get there
only the player can decide what cars to get into for the ride
jmho
icbw
 
bbb said:
taking cranky pills today dan?
you have a hardon for stan and CTE..we do not agree on your premise to save the pool world and players from him and CTE
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I haven't posted about or even thought about Stan in many months. I'll admit I don't know the history of your interaction with digiball. It just struck me that you've basically been scolding me for years about showing, scientifically, that Stan's claims are untrue and then here you seemed to be all over this guy who has invented something quite remarkable, if it really works. Maybe you should stop trying to save the pool world from the digiball and keep your opinions to yourself? Is that how the saying goes?


bbb said:
i thought i was was done with this discussion as its a big waste of my time to have to defend myself
but i cant ignore a direct attack on me like you did dan
@pvc lou thank you for your support....(y)
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Multiply my "attack" on you by 100 and you'll know how it feels.
 
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nataddrho said:
My Fargorate is probably similar to most members of this forum, slightly above average. It is easy to prove that I am at least the speed on the left end of the red line because you can look me up (447 robustness) in the public data base. I haven't played in Fargorate-saved tournaments in a few years, but I claim that I am now closer to a 600 speed. I can't really prove this claim other than my word and what other players tell me I now play at.

As pointed out, I am an engineer with an MSEE and a lifetime of hardware design experience. I am not a pool coach and I do not have the credentials to be a one-on-one instructor for high level players. However I do indeed have enough knowledge about the sport to create a training aid that exposes to us the information that all of us here knows is important... exact tip position.

I hope this answers your question!

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Ok. So, from your cv summary, I will surmise that your ball sensor/app system probably works correctly.

However, the claim that it will help a player improve without beating his/her bush (preposition?) remains to be proven.

U got a sales team?
 
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