Tip install prep

shakes

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Do you guys do any tip prep upon receiving your tips? The bar cue tip thread made me curious. I had issues with the lepros having such a wide range of hardnesses in the same box that I started grading the box upon arrival. A friend received several different ways from several cuemakers, but in the end, I just made a uhmw "jig" in different tip sizes that I put the tip in, and chucked up in the lathe, crown facing the spindle. I would then shave off the bottom covering with a sharp tool, and note the level of fraying in the leather. After doing this a few times, and installing the tips, I got a feel of the different hardnesses by level of fraying. I then sorted them in their respective compartments in my tackle box, and moved on. Now, I also use the Searing sealing method before putting them in the tackle box. (Making sure the glue dries, I don't want tips stuck together or stuck to the plastic.)

Anybody else do anything similar?
 
shakes said:
Do you guys do any tip prep upon receiving your tips? The bar cue tip thread made me curious. I had issues with the lepros having such a wide range of hardnesses in the same box that I started grading the box upon arrival. A friend received several different ways from several cuemakers, but in the end, I just made a uhmw "jig" in different tip sizes that I put the tip in, and chucked up in the lathe, crown facing the spindle. I would then shave off the bottom covering with a sharp tool, and note the level of fraying in the leather. After doing this a few times, and installing the tips, I got a feel of the different hardnesses by level of fraying. I then sorted them in their respective compartments in my tackle box, and moved on. Now, I also use the Searing sealing method before putting them in the tackle box. (Making sure the glue dries, I don't want tips stuck together or stuck to the plastic.)

Anybody else do anything similar?
I am always amazed by the amount of attention these poorly made tips get. The attention should be given in the factory way before they reach us.

To answer your question in one word...NO. I rarely use LePros unless my customer absolutely insists on it. They almost always take my suggestion to move on to a more reliable tip and they never look back.

Gene

By the way, I do prep some other tips before going out to work a tournament.
 
Gene

By the way, I do prep some other tips before going out to work a tournament.


Like to share more, it is the time of giving :D
 
shakes said:
Do you guys do any tip prep upon receiving your tips? The bar cue tip thread made me curious. I had issues with the lepros having such a wide range of hardnesses in the same box that I started grading the box upon arrival. A friend received several different ways from several cuemakers, but in the end, I just made a uhmw "jig" in different tip sizes that I put the tip in, and chucked up in the lathe, crown facing the spindle. I would then shave off the bottom covering with a sharp tool, and note the level of fraying in the leather. After doing this a few times, and installing the tips, I got a feel of the different hardnesses by level of fraying. I then sorted them in their respective compartments in my tackle box, and moved on. Now, I also use the Searing sealing method before putting them in the tackle box. (Making sure the glue dries, I don't want tips stuck together or stuck to the plastic.)

Anybody else do anything similar?
I still use lepros, but and only but, if they stand the test of smashing them with a hammer on concrete. Look a the back of them, you can tell which ones are bad, crinkled = bad
 
I examine the grain, and listen to the tone when it is tapped on the bed rail of my Porper lathe. I almost never install a bad one since I started doing this.
 
Sheldon said:
I examine the grain, and listen to the tone when it is tapped on the bed rail of my Porper lathe. I almost never install a bad one since I started doing this.

To examine the grain, have you already sanded the back?
 
shakes said:
To examine the grain, have you already sanded the back?

NO...Just look at the back. The ones that are smooth & flat on the back are pretty much the good ones. If the have deeper grain line grooves in the back....pretty much junk. I've used this system and cut down on installing bad ones considerably. As for Triangles...thats simple. Fill the sink up with water & toss 'em in. The floaters are junk....good ones sink to the bottom. I share to much secret info on this site...Joey's going to bad rep me again.:D
 
Cuedog said:
I am always amazed by the amount of attention these poorly made tips get. The attention should be given in the factory way before they reach us.

To answer your question in one word...NO. I rarely use LePros unless my customer absolutely insists on it. They almost always take my suggestion to move on to a more reliable tip and they never look back.

Gene

By the way, I do prep some other tips before going out to work a tournament.


I started out with just Le Pros and Triangles in the beginning, but to be honest, I was talking about all tips, not just the LePros. I perform this with every tip I receive except for the layered tips. And with the layered tips, I still sand them and do the Searing seal (I love saying that) when they arrive. Hopefully soon, I will have a durometer to check everything that comes into the shop, and make sure it meets the QA test. But the prep will continue even then. Care to share your prep process?
 
Thinking out loud here...let's see.
Hummmm...My tip prep prior to installation.


Sniper..........sand glue side / Sells for $30.00 / Cust. satisfaction rate= High
Everest........sand glue side / Sells for $20.00 / Cust. satisfaction rate= High
Moori...........sand glue side / Sells for $35.00 / Cust. satisfaction rate= High
Talisman.......sand glue side / Sells for $25.00 / Cust. satisfaction rate= High
Kamui...........sand glue side / Sells for $35.00 / Cust. satisfaction rate= High

Lepro...........Prior to opening the box, read 2 non-threatening bed time stories to your new LePros. Be sure to turn the box gently so that each of the little tips feels loved. Play soothing elevator music during the incubation period. When the big day arrives, carefully open the box under indirect florescent lighting only. Gently remove one of the little guys and turn him over. Check his tiny bottom for signs of lines and wrinkling.

OH COME ON!!! What's with the jumping through hoops for this tip. There are far better alternatives. If that company cannot or will not make a better tip, why not just move on? By the way...

/ Sells for $10.00/ Customer satisfaction rate= varies just like everyone of the tips in the box

Gene
 
billiardbum said:
Gene

By the way, I do prep some other tips before going out to work a tournament.


Like to share more, it is the time of giving :D
When I am preping for working a tournament, I do what "Shakes" does. Saves a lot of time at the event. I was a closet tip preper now I've been outed. Damn! :D

Gene
 
i use the tap system for lepros. unfort half the box is usually bad. no way around it.

triangles i just beat them with a hammer.

layered tips i compact also no prep just sand. poke holes with tip pik then glue
 
I get my dog to sniff em. Those he dun chew, they're bad. Those chewed can be installed without sanding or tippick.
 
Well now that the beans have been spilled:D The method that I have used for 20 years or so, is what Varney and Sheldon described. You will get some with krinkled up lines through them, and when you sand You can still see the line sometimes because It's darker then the rest, sometimes they will be partially domed also, and just not very flat looking on the bottoms. I always tossed those. My favorites use to be the perfectly smooth ones, and It got over the years where there wasn't many at all in a box like that, and that Is'nt even a very good indicator for me anymore. The ones with the slightly pitted looking grain, before sanding, are hit and miss, but I have found that I can't count all of them out either. when i sand them now days i can kind of see how frayed the grain is, and that helps alittle, but the biggest indicator is how well they cut on the lathe for me. If they make it that far, and end up being junk, off they go.

The hammmer trick Like Jim mentioned, I had not used until I believe it was Mike Webb that mentioned it on here one time, but I sometimes do that now days too.

The biggest difference for me recently was getting the 13.5 tips, because alot of times I would need to be just a hair or so over 13MM, and had to go all the way up to 14mm, which was so much cut off that it would go all the way through the tanning. The 13.5MM really helped with that, and I don't have as many wasted tips nows. atleast that's one Of My theories, maybe i just got some better boxes from My other source, not sure, but it helped with the mushy tips I was getting so many of before.

The triangles I heard someone mention having troubles simular to the lepros. I have not encountered this yet, but I do Mine different then most. I have mentioned it before I think when i was testing this method, but since i have been using it, and have had nothing but good reviews from it. What I do is press them in My vice, and heat the edges around the tip with My little butane torch. I try no to burn them up too badly, but just tan them really well, and when I'm done, I can back off the vice right after, and the tip will hold the compressed shape. This means i don't have to use the milk dud method anymore.


As far as prepping the tip, I still do the searing method ocasionally on a moori or something like that, but with alot of tips, including lepro's I have better success not using It now days. I just sand the backs, and slightly hatch mark the ferrule face, and tip face with the tip of My razor. I also quit using My concave center to clamp them while the glue dries, and started using My thumb or finger instead. took some practice getting good at centering them freehand like that before the glue starts kicking, but now I have it down, and center them almost as well as the concave did.


I've had My chances to work tournaments, but I don't work well under the gun at that pace like some guys do, so I turned them down. I do My best work when I can do repair at My own speed, and for that reason I make sure it is common knowledge. Anyway I wouldn't know what best prep methods to use before one of those events, other then what has been discussed before. Wish I had some more usefull advice on that for you Shakes:)

Greg
 
those Lepros

I can't stand all the LePro bashing. Yep, I play with one. Funny, I think SVB plays with them also. I know he was. I can feel the revs I put on a cueball with a Lepro, I wish I could say the same of alot of those expensive layered tips. I've had bad boxes of lepros. Ever have layered tips delaminate while cutting them down on a lathe? I'm more than happy to put on $30 layered tips for my customers, but nothing hits like a good $10 Lepro.
 
bob_bushka said:
I can't stand all the LePro bashing. Yep, I play with one. Funny, I think SVB plays with them also. I know he was. I can feel the revs I put on a cueball with a Lepro, I wish I could say the same of alot of those expensive layered tips. I've had bad boxes of lepros. Ever have layered tips delaminate while cutting them down on a lathe? I'm more than happy to put on $30 layered tips for my customers, but nothing hits like a good $10 Lepro.

To each their own. If one tip was the best for everybody then there would only be one tip to install but everyone has their own taste's. A good LePro tip does play pretty good. In my opinion there just aren't enough good ones in this world. They are a very cheap tip compared to many. After all, they only cost 25 or 30 cents so a large number can be thrown away with little monetary loss. I charge 10.00 to install a LePro tip. I charge 20.00 for Talisman layered and 25.00 for most other layered. Thing is, time has to be included in the price of a tip. If I have to cut off 3 or 4 LePro tips to get a good one then that is 3 or 4 times the installation time invested, not counting all of the aggravation involved. What I have thought about and now have decided to act on is that as of Jan 1, I intend raising the price of a LePro installation to 20.00. In this way, a customer has a choice of a Talisman or a LePro for the same price. Hopefully, in the new year I won't be nearly as aggravated and I will truly know if my LePro customers really like a LePro's hit or just the Lepro's price. If that doesn't work, maybe next Jan.1 I'll raise the price to 30.00.

Dick
 
now you will be installing lots of Triangles.i think Lepros and Triangles are both good tips.i really like Lepros about as good as anything and for the most part the ones with slick backs are good,but once i get them small enough to play with and they are just right,they are gone in a month.they wear out too fast and then you get another one and repeat.too much hassle.with Kamuis i cut one down to 4-5 layers,shape it up just right and get to play with it for quite awhile.they also have a quieter hit.
 
Good idea Dick.... That will at least make people a lot more willing to try the layered tips.
 
rhncue said:
To each their own. If one tip was the best for everybody then there would only be one tip to install but everyone has their own taste's. A good LePro tip does play pretty good. In my opinion there just aren't enough good ones in this world. They are a very cheap tip compared to many. After all, they only cost 25 or 30 cents so a large number can be thrown away with little monetary loss. I charge 10.00 to install a LePro tip. I charge 20.00 for Talisman layered and 25.00 for most other layered. Thing is, time has to be included in the price of a tip. If I have to cut off 3 or 4 LePro tips to get a good one then that is 3 or 4 times the installation time invested, not counting all of the aggravation involved. What I have thought about and now have decided to act on is that as of Jan 1, I intend raising the price of a LePro installation to 20.00. In this way, a customer has a choice of a Talisman or a LePro for the same price. Hopefully, in the new year I won't be nearly as aggravated and I will truly know if my LePro customers really like a LePro's hit or just the Lepro's price. If that doesn't work, maybe next Jan.1 I'll raise the price to 30.00.

Dick


I went up to 15 on common tips over a year ago. It didn't make much difference, the lepro guys still want them, but then that's not quite 20, so who knows what would happen then.


Greg
 
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