Tip preference

I find it almost impossible to recomend a tip. There are so many to choose from and what feels like a good tip is such a subjective thing.
In the pool hall where I play Kamui Clear is very popular. If that is because it`s a superior tip or if it has to do with marketing and availability, I couldn`t tell you...
Me and my buddies all play with Zan Premium and everyone that tries one seems to like it.
The Zan tips seems to be very consistent and are very nice to work with. The Premium Soft has a hardness of about 83 on a durometer, so it`s truly a soft tip.
 
I find it almost impossible to recomend a tip. There are so many to choose from and what feels like a good tip is such a subjective thing.
In the pool hall where I play Kamui Clear is very popular. If that is because it`s a superior tip or if it has to do with marketing and availability, I couldn`t tell you...
Me and my buddies all play with Zan Premium and everyone that tries one seems to like it.
The Zan tips seems to be very consistent and are very nice to work with. The Premium Soft has a hardness of about 83 on a durometer, so it`s truly a soft tip.[/QUOTE

83? on Shore A? Durometer is somewhat meaningless unless the tips are the same leather and process but I have never seen a soft that high even on a shore A which I still argue is the wrong foot and pressure for tips... Shore A has a Samsara at 4.5 points lower than phenolic at 95.5... LOL they are not even close to phenolic... on a Shore D Phenolic is at 100 and a Samsara is down at 85...

Since you are using Shore A I think here is pool dawgs completely useless scale in Shore A... http://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/the-ultimate-pool-cue-tip-guide Closest softs I see are Talisman and Kamui.....
 
Tiger Sniper
Never mushroom
Never change hardness
Just need few racks to adjust yourself, and than you'll never change! ;)

IMHO
 
I find it almost impossible to recomend a tip. There are so many to choose from and what feels like a good tip is such a subjective thing.
In the pool hall where I play Kamui Clear is very popular. If that is because it`s a superior tip or if it has to do with marketing and availability, I couldn`t tell you...
Me and my buddies all play with Zan Premium and everyone that tries one seems to like it.
The Zan tips seems to be very consistent and are very nice to work with. The Premium Soft has a hardness of about 83 on a durometer, so it`s truly a soft tip.[/QUOTE

83? on Shore A? Durometer is somewhat meaningless unless the tips are the same leather and process but I have never seen a soft that high even on a shore A which I still argue is the wrong foot and pressure for tips... Shore A has a Samsara at 4.5 points lower than phenolic at 95.5... LOL they are not even close to phenolic... on a Shore D Phenolic is at 100 and a Samsara is down at 85...

Since you are using Shore A I think here is pool dawgs completely useless scale in Shore A... http://www.pooldawg.com/article/pooldawg-library/the-ultimate-pool-cue-tip-guide Closest softs I see are Talisman and Kamui.....

I`m in no position to really agree or disagree. The numbers are not mine, I do not own my own durometer yet. The numbers are taken from www.newart.co.jp
They have rated all their tips.
I don`t know how scientific their process is, but as long as they have followed the same procedure for every tip, there should at least be some consistency in the testing itself and the numbers should be repeatable by others who do the same test (wich is the whole point of a scientific approach)

You seem to be very knowledgeable about cue tips and I`ve been following your progress, so I can`t argue about your credentials.
Within a few weeks I`m getting a large batch of different tips, so I can do my own testing. I would love to try some of your tips too, but I don`t know if you ship outside USA?
 
Rick over my 35 years of pool, when i fail is say to myself, oh well i am not talented and have no feel to tip or cue and quit trying. But last i'd say 4 to 5 years i learned that these two things are in the mind, and will only slow your progress if you believe they exist. Naji, 'Feel' & Natural Talent DO exist. You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. But...thinking that they do not exist might be what YOU NEED to allow yourself to continue to give it your best effort. But to say that they 'absolutely' do not exist here on AZB may not be a good thing for others to read. Pool cue manufacturers, as well as tips and shafts, wants you to believe in the feel concept so that they tell you, this cue, or that tip, has special feel so you continue to experiment, unfortunately, in the wrong area, where as a $1.00 tip would do just fine, provided you kept practicing the right thing, an believe you have talent as good or better than anyone else, just need to put the time into it. Naji, I developed a very good 'feel' when I was a teenager & never bought any special cue, etc. so if you are saying that THEY are saying that this or that can give you 'feel' then I agree with you BUT...since we are are all of different 'talent levels' concerning 'feel' the make up of one's equipment, type of cue, weight of cue, & type of tip can enhance or deter one from obtaining a sense of 'feel'.
Final word, sure there are talented people when it comes to being born with such as, good music ears, being tall , good voice, good brain (not really needed for pool), but other things such as math, physics..etc maybe couple more, but pool baseball, tennis, and golf, all it needs is time, the more time invested, the better you will be. Naji, I can agree that the more investment of time you spend with something the better one will get if the time is invested properly. But... some can spend all the time in the world & will NEVER reach the upper echelon of a given endeavor or sport & especially in the 3 that you have chosen as examples. There are literally millions of young boys that have put in the time & with the best instruction & coaching that while becoming very good in the game of baseball will NEVER even get to play baseball at the upper echelon of the sport. The same thing can be said for football, basketball, golf, tennis, etc. While the difference that separates them from the upper echelon of players might be very small it is significant enough of a difference to make a difference. The thing is that there are a limited number of spots at the top levels. If not, then sure, everyone that wants to play could play, but that is simply not the case. There are levels of separation & yes those levels can sometimes be crossed by some of those that put in the extra work. AND those are the individuals that we admire most because it was 'easy' for the more 'talented' individual. But to say that anyone can be a major league baseball player by simply putting in enough time & work is simply not true.

Ok some tips are harder than other, sounds and probably has a bit of different feel, so what if i miss the shot who cares about feel then! i played with many players that shoot with house cues, rarely beat them even with spot.... Naji, Like I said I developed some good 'feel' as a teenager with nothing but a house cue. Have you considered the fact that those guys are simply more talented & have a better 'feel'? Like I said before, If one's equipment fits them & their style of play then they can focus more on playing the game. Sometimes if the equipment is a bad fit, then even all the good focus can not overcome the bad fit.

In 1996 Mark Brooks was at the height of his golfing career winning 3 tournaments including winning the PGA, a Major Championship & then for monetary gain switched to another make of golf clubs & basically was never heard of again because his game dropped so low. He's not the only golf pro to make such a mistake.

I now have a better understanding of where you're coming from & if believing what you believe is best for you then, by all means, do what you have to do.

As Always, Best Wishes,
Rick
 
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I now have a better understanding of where you're coming from & if believing what you believe is best for you then, by all means, do what you have to do.

As Always, Best Wishes,
Rick

Rick, do not forget that Luck is a critical component in every game and those that tried their best fail to wait a bit more for luck to strike. My final words:

The word talent does not apply to pool and those that uses it, only finding an excuse for not being the best or on top of their game, or anything in life, besides the obvious GOD given gifts at birth (voice, music ear, being tall, good hansom look..etc).

Feel is personal, it does not add or take from anyone's game, you will shoot pool as good with any cue or tip provided you understand their properties (squirt, how heavy they are and got used to the speed)

Please do not attempt to change my thinking. In fact i encourage all new pool players to dump these two words until they become super stars.
 
Rick, do not forget that Luck is a critical component in every game and those that tried their best fail to wait a bit more for luck to strike. My final words:

The word talent does not apply to pool and those that uses it, only finding an excuse for not being the best or on top of their game, or anything in life, besides the obvious GOD given gifts at birth (voice, music ear, being tall, good hansom look..etc).

Feel is personal, it does not add or take from anyone's game, you will shoot pool as good with any cue or tip provided you understand their properties (squirt, how heavy they are and got used to the speed)

Please do not attempt to change my thinking. In fact i encourage all new pool players to dump these two words until they become super stars.

Naji,

Like I said, you do whatever you need to do & is best for you. God does not give out a thing called 'pool talent'. But hand eye coordination is not the same for each individual & neither are our muscles, fast twitch vs slow twitch, nor is our 'nerve' regarding competition nor our emotions regarding winning & losing, nor is how we accept or run from challenges.

Some things can certainly be learned but others come down to our physical, mental, & emotional make up.

Whatever is working for you, you stick with it.

Again, as always, Best Wishes,
Rick
 
When I read these kinds of posts I realize just how old, irrelevant, and stuck in my ways I've become. I've been playing for 30+ years and still can't find a tip I'll use over a piece of crap .38 cent Elkmaster. I've tried virtually every tip on the market and hate them all but Elks. However, I'm waiting for Renfro to get his super soft version out so I can try it. I have a hopeful sneaking suspicion he might finally get me to change.

Like you I used Elk Masters & Brunswick Blue Diamonds for over 40 years. The Kamui Super Soft is the closest I've come upon & it was actually a bit too soft til a I 'pulled' a few layers off as advised by someone here.

Now for the money you can probably get a lifetime supply of Elks for one(1) Kamui.

Best of luck with the 'Renfro Super Soft',
Rick
 
When I read these kinds of posts I realize just how old, irrelevant, and stuck in my ways I've become. I've been playing for 30+ years and still can't find a tip I'll use over a piece of crap .38 cent Elkmaster. I've tried virtually every tip on the market and hate them all but Elks. However, I'm waiting for Renfro to get his super soft version out so I can try it. I have a hopeful sneaking suspicion he might finally get me to change.

Why spend a tenner on an elk, when you can get a whole box for a score? :confused:

Marketing costs.
 
I find it almost impossible to recomend a tip. There are so many to choose from and what feels like a good tip is such a subjective thing.
In the pool hall where I play Kamui Clear is very popular. If that is because it`s a superior tip or if it has to do with marketing and availability, I couldn`t tell you...
Me and my buddies all play with Zan Premium and everyone that tries one seems to like it.
The Zan tips seems to be very consistent and are very nice to work with. The Premium Soft has a hardness of about 83 on a durometer, so it`s truly a soft tip.

i'd have to agree 100% with this. My 2 favorites are old Moori tips and Zan Soft.
 
^^^^ these. Those on your list I find lacking. I played for a long time with original Moori's and had a large stock. When I finally ran out about 5 years ago I went on an odyssey to find a new go to tip & ended up going to a triangle as I found nothing pleasing. I discovered Pooldawgs duds through here & switched to them & they played well. When Chris Renfro came out with the Kitech tips I gave them a whirl & they play well & became my new go to. All the while I still lusted for a tip that gave me the grip and feel of the old Moori mediums. About 3 months ago I was visiting an old road partner out west & he turned me onto a G2 Hard saying "this is better than the old Moori mediums". I was skeptical but put it on & all I can say is he was right. Unbelievable grip, solid consistency from tip to tip, no mushrooming. Most of all once you've played them awhile the little nuances you can get out of them by adjusting the speed of your stroke is otherworldly. It's almost like adding 8-10 new options to your arsenal of shots for getting the shape you need in tough spots.

In these threads many say tips are a preferential & they're right, it's a personal thing. Others here have touted Pooldawgs duds & the Kitechs and I have used both & they are great tips, I liked both of them a lot. But if you ever used the old Moori mediums like I did & pine for a tip that brings to the table what those tips did & MORE I highly recommend the G2 Hard. I play 40-50 hours a week and after just a few months of playing with these that many hours I'm so sold on them I spent a heavenly sum of money to purchase what I feel will be a lifetime supply just in case something happens like what happened with the old Moori's. I can't recommend them highly enough.

I'm glad to hear about another person seeing the light. You're spot on with your review. It's been so long since I hit with the old moori's I loved so much I forgot about them. I equate the reaction I get from people when they discover how good these tips are to the look someone gives when see their first set of breasts.:eek: :thumbup:
 
Difference between layered, one piece, composition

I'm thinking layered may be more sensitive. Playing now with tip that came with cue. It does glaze after a couple hours practice. Not breaking. Must lightly sand it off each time out. No big deal but miscueing a few times each outing is frustrating. I remember years ago playing with house cues and rarely miscue. No confidence in this tip, must replace. The Dawg tip seems to be liked. Or the Ultraskin. Thoughts??
 
Why spend a tenner on an elk, when you can get a whole box for a score? :confused:

Marketing costs.

I am going to assume that was directed at me by your quote of him waiting on our new offering... You really have zero clue as to what we do.... Fat Liquoring goes back 100 years.. You get your leather in and you have to adjust it to the needs of the purpose you intend to use it for... The tanner doesn't do that for you in most instances... We take tanned leather and we put it thru 2-4 processes to break it down and rehydrate the collagen... We then take steps to stabilize the leather fibers and increase their elasticity...

I have $1000 that says bring a box of elks and I will being 1 Ki-Tech soft... Hell bring 2 boxes... If any of the 100 plays like our soft and holds up like our soft you win the $1000... Elks share one thing with our soft... They are the same tanned leather...

Our Super Softs are actually a different tanned leather and a totally different process... I will go ahead and let the cat out of the bag here....

We have been working with Tony at Black Boar to provide them with an "ultra soft" I ship their first order at the end of this week... OB is adding the Ki-Techs to their upgrade options... Whatever you think we do... You need to adjust your thinking....

As far as the original moori medium... That ship sailed and Moori will never make that tip again... It was lost when they went high production and decided delaminations were an issue vs changes in play.... Currently in a layered tip the closest you get is the medium G2. They match up great for about 3 weeks...... I have tested the original moori mediums and have one on one of my OB pros thanks to Lomax.... Our medium tests dead nuts on what the old mooris were in hardness and COR.... The issue is after 20 years the memory can only attempt to recall reality.. Our Medium Hard tests out barely higher than those "originals"....

Fun thing is you install any of our tips and like them... You will like them until they wear the f out... and it's not weeks or a month. It's 6-9 months... They spend their entire life cycle exactly where we designed them to be... even our $10 elk masters.... Now GTFO......

Chris
 
I have been playing with a medium G2 lately. I really like it. I have also installed several on customers cues. Everyone is very satisfied. They are very consistent. Play very similar to the old Moori tips - but I dare say a little better.

And this, too.
 
How does one know when a tip has had it? How far down the tip can it be reshaped or scruffed up constantly?
 
I'm using a single layer also. Came with stick. 3 months now, play every day. No mushrooming. Just scuff every couple days lightly with a corn/callous tool. Make tip slightly flatter than nickle. Think most tips now are layered. Don't think I'd like a lot of tip on end of stick.

Anyone recommend a single layer type tip come replacement time?
 
buffalo is my preference. i just replaced my 8 year old tip on my viking with another one.

for 2 years that cue was used exclusively as a breaker. now its my daily player 4 nights a week in league. i never mess with my tips unless its absolutely necessary...they last a lot longer that way. :D i have gone as long as 3 months with out scuffing ....and no i never miscue .

another reason my tips last so long is because i mostly chalk once a rack. believe it or not chalk wears a tip down also.

i went through moori....tiger emerald...sniper on my predator before putting a buffalo tip on it also last year. that buffalo has lasted longer than all 3 of the others put together plus i pocket balls with it better.

my viking is my daily player now and i gotta say that it and a buffalo tip just fits together like bread and butter does. :D
 
I can't say they are the best tip now, but the BEST tips I ever played with were Elk Masters and Le Pros.

I have a Milk Dud on the cue I'm playing the most now and it plays good on this shaft. I don't think there is a "best" tip as in "one size fit's all". The Milk Dud I had on my other shaft played like crap to me. I don't know what the deal was...the shaft or the tip...but I put a TNT MAX Pro on that shaft and now it plays good. The TNT tip is layered.
 
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