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jalapus logan

jalapus logan

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So I just switched from the Kamui super soft black to an Ultraskin medium. I have been miscuing more frequently with the Ultraskin. I think that this is due to the tips hardness, but want your guys opinions. The Ultraskin medium is the hardest tip I've ever used. I've always used softer tips like Triangle in the past. In fact, the Kamui SS is harder than I've been used to. In any event, It seems that the harder the tip, the quicker the tip loses its ability to hold chalk well, requiring more frequent scuffing. Any truth to this, or is it in my head? A miscue cost me a game last night, so I wanna get to the bottom of this. Cheers...
 
jalapus logan said:
So I just switched from the Kamui super soft black to an Ultraskin medium. I have been miscuing more frequently with the Ultraskin. I think that this is due to the tips hardness, but want your guys opinions. The Ultraskin medium is the hardest tip I've ever used. I've always used softer tips like Triangle in the past. In fact, the Kamui SS is harder than I've been used to. In any event, It seems that the harder the tip, the quicker the tip loses its ability to hold chalk well, requiring more frequent scuffing. Any truth to this, or is it in my head? A miscue cost me a game last night, so I wanna get to the bottom of this. Cheers...
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Some of it may be in your head since the Triangle tip is considered to be a medium-hard to hard tip so both the Kamui SS and your current medium are softer tips

There are some Durameter scales available online with tip hardness for all major tips

You will miscue more often if your tip is not properly shaped (eg. Sliding off the edge of a flat tip) or if your tip is glazed and not holding chalk well. In either of these instances a quick touch up with a tip tool can get you straightened out.

Lastly, miscues may be an indicator of a stroke flaw, especially "helping" english with a wrist twist, decelerating at tip to cue ball impact, weak bridging hand or using excessive English.

Just some obsvations from a recovering "miscuer"

Good luck
 
I remember seeing the scale, and i think believe the triangle tip is one of the hardest coming in at 91.0 on the scale
 
joelpope said:
Some of it may be in your head since the Triangle tip is considered to be a medium-hard to hard tip so both the Kamui SS and your current medium are softer tips

There are some Durameter scales available online with tip hardness for all major tips

You will miscue more often if your tip is not properly shaped (eg. Sliding off the edge of a flat tip) or if your tip is glazed and not holding chalk well. In either of these instances a quick touch up with a tip tool can get you straightened out.

Lastly, miscues may be an indicator of a stroke flaw, especially "helping" english with a wrist twist, decelerating at tip to cue ball impact, weak bridging hand or using excessive English.

Just some obsvations from a recovering "miscuer"

Good luck
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I think that glazing is the main issue. Not sure why is glazes over so quickly though. I guess I'll just hit it with the rasp a bit more frequently. The Kamui seemed to glaze over pretty quick too. Maybe just layered tips in general tend to glaze over quicker than traditional tips??????

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
TommyLee said:
I remember seeing the scale, and i think believe the triangle tip is one of the hardest coming in at 91.0 on the scale
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Hmmm, that may be so. And it may also be so that some of it may be in my head. Lord knows there's a lot of congestion up there, he he. Anyway, all I can tell you is that the Triangle does not seem to be all that hard to me at all. I guess that the durometer reading would reveal the truth, but it seems to me that the Ultraskin medium is a very hard tip, at least by my standard. Not saying it is a bad tip at all, just hard. I am impressed that it holds its shape quite well. The triangle and Kamui SS mushroom out rather quickly. Not so with the Ultraskin.
 
desmocourtney said:
I have seen SVB play very strong with a phenolic tip as a spot. Never miscued.

Look at your stroke.
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I don't think that my stroke is the problem. I've ironed out stroke issues through working with Stan Shuffet and video analysis, so good to go there. The miscue that cost me the game last night resulted from being jacked up with the cue ball about an inch from the object ball and I was attempting to throw the OB into the side pocket. The cue ball squirted off the end of the tip and made that dreaded cracking sound that miscues often do. I looked at the tip, and very little chalk was on the end, so holding chalk is the problem.
 
desmocourtney said:
I have seen SVB play very strong with a phenolic tip as a spot. Never miscued.

Look at your stroke.
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I have played with a phenolic tip as well. Just need to stay around the center of the cue ball is all. Then again, staying around center cue ball is good practice generally anyway.
 
I heard Johnny Archer doing commentary on an Accu-stats match talking about miscues and he said that most miscues are caused by flaws in your stroke and not the tip! I will agree with you that if your tip has glazed over and it isn't holding chalk then it is easy to miscue if you move away from center especially if you are jacked up as you describe.

James
 
jalapus logan said:
Hmmm, that may be so. And it may also be so that some of it may be in my head. Lord knows there's a lot of congestion up there, he he. Anyway, all I can tell you is that the Triangle does not seem to be all that hard to me at all. I guess that the durometer reading would reveal the truth, but it seems to me that the Ultraskin medium is a very hard tip, at least by my standard. Not saying it is a bad tip at all, just hard. I am impressed that it holds its shape quite well. The triangle and Kamui SS mushroom out rather quickly. Not so with the Ultraskin.
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I ordered M and H Ultraskins. Put them on different shafts, liked the H much better, ordered 10 more of the H. Haven't had any problem with them.
 
Manoman2444 said:
I ordered M and H Ultraskins. Put them on different shafts, liked the H much better, ordered 10 more of the H. Haven't had any problem with them.
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I like the tip, I just think that I need to scuff it up a bit more frequently than others I have used. I scuffed to Kamui up pretty regularly too, I just think that maybe the Ultraskin needs it a bit more often. I want to try the soft next. Overall, I think that Tom Hay did a great job with these tips. They retain their shape better than anything that I've used in the past.

I aked Greg Wilson at Steepleton's in Lexington KY what he thought of the tip when he installed it. His first comment was "it's real hard!". Like I said, it is harder than what I'm used to, but it plays good. I'll post a better review as the tip wears a bit more.
 
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jalapus logan said:
So I just switched from the Kamui super soft black to an Ultraskin medium. I have been miscuing more frequently with the Ultraskin. I think that this is due to the tips hardness, but want your guys opinions. The Ultraskin medium is the hardest tip I've ever used. I've always used softer tips like Triangle in the past. In fact, the Kamui SS is harder than I've been used to. In any event, It seems that the harder the tip, the quicker the tip loses its ability to hold chalk well, requiring more frequent scuffing. Any truth to this, or is it in my head? A miscue cost me a game last night, so I wanna get to the bottom of this. Cheers...
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You say its not your stroke , You are not up on tip hardness because triangle has always been a hard tip.

I havent ever had a problem with kamui ss tip mushrooming and I soft break with mine.

You also sound like you have been in a few pool halls.

Is it possible that you are getting moisture on your tip . what is your drinking habits.l


MMike
 
You say its not your stroke , You are not up on tip hardness because triangle has always been a hard tip. ertainly I am not up on tip hardness. I don't pay much attention to equipment generally - I just get used to whatever I'm using

I havent ever had a problem with kamui ss tip mushrooming and I soft break with mine. The kamui ss would have some moderate mushrooming and I would have it reshaped after a couple of days of play and then it would be good to go. The kamui did have some glazing issues as well, imo.

You also sound like you have been in a few pool halls. I am embarrassed to report that I have misspent a significant amount of my life in these dens of sin!

Is it possible that you are getting moisture on your tip . what is your drinking habits. I don't have a drinking problem - I never let a drop spill!!!
 
you might be beyond help. My wife thinks so!

I have seen better looking corpes. Yes, I lose my normal ruddy color during the holidays. :yikes:

Merry Christmas You too mate. Cheers!
 
Slow down when stroking the chalk on your tip. Almost all glazing is caused by heat.
Some chalks have wax as a binder.
If folks on the other side of the room can hear you chalking your cue you are destroying your tip.
 
xplor said:
Slow down when stroking the chalk on your tip. Almost all glazing is caused by heat.
Some chalks have wax as a binder.
If folks on the other side of the room can hear you chalking your cue you are destroying your tip.
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Turns out I'm a "driller". All my chalks have hollowed out craters in them. I also have not been getting good chalk coverage. I'm gonna try to change this bad habit.
 
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