Tip replacement pricing

Kevin3824

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I went to a pool hall today (name withheld on purpose) and asked how much it would cost to have a tip replaced on my jump/Break cue. The owner of the hall gave me a wide range in prices to start then qualified it by saying it would depend on the tip and the shaft. I showed him the cue on the spot. It was a three piece break jump my girl got me for Christmas last year. The cue itself I believe costs about $50-80 tops I cant remember. He asked me what kind of tip I was looking to have put on it. Off the top of my head I told him a Samsara because that was what I remember hearing a lot of praise about on here at the time. He told me he had to text his repair guy and find out a price and if he had one on hand. In the mean time I posted on here asking for tip advice and most seem to be suggesting Taom tips. His repair man texted him back and said he was not home to look to see if he had a tip in stock but it would cost $40-45.
I told him I had to think about it.

I thought about it over lunch today and looked up the price of a Samsara break/jump tip and found them at Ozone for $15 each. I read Samsara have a rep for popping off. Basically, they want to charge me $25-30 labor to replace a tip.

Then I thought about it more and realized that pool hall's repair man is the same person that a few weeks back we asked him to tighten the weight bolt in my girlfriends Cuetec cue and not only was that beyond his ability but he ripped the rubber bumper off it attempting it. When she showed me that I immediately took the cue to him personally and confronted him. He tried to unscrew it from the rubber bumper instead of the entire cap. I know many cues the bumper screws out of the cap but Cuetec specifically warns you on the web not to do that and to unscrew the entire cap. When I told him that he said he tried it but could not do it. I was able to unscrew it by hand in front of him at that time. He then took it in back and tightened the weight bolt. When I asked him how he planned on correcting the damage he offered no solution. I had to ask if he had any glue in back to at least glue the bumper back in place which he did.

I feel like every time I go to that pool hall I get the feeling that besides table time itself which seems very reasonably priced everything else they offer is way over priced. It makes me feel like it will only be a matter of time before they would start charging you to use the rest room if they thought they could get away with it.

I mentioned I was considering getting a ball polisher at home and the owner asked why I could bring my balls in and he could run them through his machine. I thought to myself that was nice of him then he said something like yeah it would take a lot of $5 trips to get the balls cleaned and polished before I would have spent the same money to get a machine of my own. At first I thought he was doing something nice for me then when he said that I realized he was only trying to make more money off of me.

Maybe it is me having worked for a travelling carnival in past my experiences are likely different then most on here. That particular pool hall just reminds me of days gone by when I was working a game booth and the locals came by. It was my job to try and get them to spend as much as possible at my game and send them home broke. The more I go there and see it the more I want to play only in the private sector and not go to the pool hall except on rare occasion. Kind of like going to a carnival when it comes around once a year.
 
Subtotal: $15.00
Shipping: $7.85
Total: $22.85



what do you think you should be charged?
 
Subtotal: $15.00
Shipping: $7.85
Total: $22.85



what do you think you should be charged?

Well lets see I could send it to seyberts and they will do it for 14.95 cost of that tip from them plus 7.50 for labor. Now if I lived close to Seyberts like I do that local pool hall there would not be any shipping charges now would there.

I was not looking for attitude. I simply think the labor charge to replace a tip should not be 25 or 30 dollars. Honestly, I think that 5-10 dollars labor is far more reasonable to have a tip replaced by a competent cue mechanic.

I am not convinced that is what that pool hall is offering either based upon previous experience with him. If you take something to a competent repair person and they break or damage your property typically they should without being asked replace the parts they break without question. That is not what happened previously with this mechanic.
 
Well lets see I could send it to seyberts and they will do it for 14.95 cost of that tip from them plus 7.50 for labor. Now if I lived close to Seyberts like I do that local pool hall there would not be any shipping charges now would there.

I was not looking for attitude. I simply think the labor charge to replace a tip should not be 25 or 30 dollars. Honestly, I think that 5-10 dollars labor is far more reasonable to have a tip replaced by a competent cue mechanic.

I am not convinced that is what that pool hall is offering either based upon previous experience with him. If you take something to a competent repair person and they break or damage your property typically they should without being asked replace the parts they break without question. That is not what happened previously with this mechanic.

attitude?
i asked you a fukn question, period.
 
Is it common to be charged 25-30 dollars labor for a tip replacement? Should the labor rate be different for a 100 % leather tip than a phenolic tip. Or for that matter different rates based on the cost of an entire cue of shaft? It just seems to me that replacing a standard tip is not rocket science.
 
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It does seem a little pricy, but I think he'll charge what ever people will pay, and he may have to break off a piece for the room as well. There have to be other repair guys in your area, I'm sure you'll find prices vary.
Maybe ask this guy to purchase another CueTec bumper for you, if you're not comfortable replacing it, take it to the guy that you have do your tips.
As a side note, I've had a Samsara tip on my breaker for a few years with no problem. It was done by a competent repair person. If it's done right there shouldn't be a problem
 
Is it common to be charged 25-30 dollars labor for a tip replacement? Should the labor rate be different for a 100 % leather tip than a phenolic tip. Or for that matter different rates based on the cost of an entire cue of shaft? It just seems to me that replacing a standard tip is not rocket science.
Prices vary. Period. There is no standard or set charge. If you like someones work..pay the bill, thank and keep using them. For the sake of conversation a tip cost $.50 cents or $10. Labor should be the same unless a pad is used. The person doing the repair has put out hundreds to thousands of dollars for the equipment....and when it wears it cost to replace/repair it. I bought a lathe with accessories for a little under $2000 for my own use.
The REVO is going back to Seyberts when it needs a tip.

Try replacing a tip DIY. You'll get real good at it or appreciate a mechanics cost of $15-$25 or whatever for labor.
 
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thats what the total price of the tip shipped was when i looked on ozone

that's not what i charge

I was gonna say.... looked to good to be true.
Interesting how price vs quality and service are evaluated.
 
I think you are right I should simply do it myself. I have a few house cues here that could use tip replacement and I could do them as practice with cheaper tips. I will also likely order a replacement bumper cap at the same time just to make that cue right in my head.

It is just sad in my mind that people feel a need to charge as much as possible for everything just to make a living. I guess I come from a different time when customer service was king for getting and maintaining customers. When businesses profited by simply generating a steady customer base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhU0lYPEGKc
 
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Subtotal: $15.00
Shipping: $7.85
Total: $22.85





what do you think you should be charged?

In all fairness the quoted shipping is based on one tip. Multi buys would divided the cost and if over a certain price shipping is free. ( shop owners do not buy a tip at a time.) Also above price is not taking into consideration that is retail. ( Most item for a fairly busy shop ...knock off 25 % or more.

Now regarding labor...yes lathe and other cost need be considered. As well as maybe it mushrooms a bit. (normal and not the fault of the repairman) he likely would touch it up free. (more time). Popping off not always the fault of repair and most times (around here) if it occurred in a short period of time it would be replaced free or at least only for the price of the tip.

All said and done no different then anything else...car, tractor, boat, repair some try to get as much as they can others just get by and make a living... Some have higher overhead Ins cost etc...others at home.

Life is Good,
 
It is just sad in my mind that people feel a need to charge as much as possible for everything just to make a living.

You're dealing with the wrong people. But it is difficult to find the competent honest ones. Like anything else..there are true fair priced craftsman and then there are scrap iron dealers.
 
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Back in the 1980s I replaced 100s of tips. The pool room had a nice metal lath in the back room.
I used super glue gel. It took about 10 minutes start to end and I was very good at it.
I charged $10 for a LePro tip. that's the only tip I had and it was the standard of that time.
There is a local billiards store here in Denver that charges $10 labor plus the tip cost.
$10 labor for 10 or 15 minutes work is pretty good.
I had a local world class cue maker replace a tip for me.
He put on a Triangle, cleaned and waxed the shaft for $20.00.
 
It is hard to be critical of the cuemaker in question. He may have ordered only one or two of those tips because they may not be popular in his area.

Secondly, if he does good work, he will not rush the tip replacement. He may clean the shaft as part of the repair, seal it and the tip.

If he does all that he will spend 30-45 minutes on your cue. Is 5-15 dollars reasonable for the cost of repair plus tip? Prices vary by region but 20-25 dollars plus the cost of the tip seems about right.

You, of course, can install your own tip with some simple tools but the lathe costs money and all the accessories that go with it do, also. Add in cleaner, sealer, towels, etc. and the guy is not getting rich even at his original price.

I usually charge 20 bucks to install a low priced tip and go up from there according to the cost of the tip. That will include cleaning and sealing.
 
Based on a recent thread started here by Jay Helfert, I sent a shaft to Proficient Billiards for some work, which included a replacement tip. It was a Kamui soft - Clear Black. Materials and labor was $50. It came back perfect and I have no problem with the pricing.

I was recently talking to a friend in this business and he mentioned the worst thing anyone thinking of starting a poolroom can do is to cater to the pool players in his area. You must gear your business to the general public because pool players are some of the cheapest individuals walking the face of the earth. Guess this thread kinda proves him correct.
 
A little pricey, but probably not much. I used to get ten bucks for installing a LePro, and that was eleven years ago.
In today's dollars your figures could be worse. :smile:
 
Learn to do it

It does seem like a lot of money to pay some one who may not do a good job based on your past experience with him. I live in a little hick town in Alaska and the nearest place that does tip replacement is 150 miles away, so I do it my self.

I encourage you to invest some money in your own tip replacement items and learn to do it your self. There are plenty of basic hand tools available that will do a satisfactory job at a reasonable price and I have been doing it for years.

A quality lathe would be best, but as a casual player I don't need one and would rather spend the money on some thing else.

Do a little research into what is out there and you can order all you need from Seyberts or Pool Dawg. I use Gorilla Super Glue Gel because cue maker Pat Diviney said he uses it, a little dab will do the job. I scotch tape the ferrule to protect it and let the tip set for 24 hours before I shape it.

If the tip is big and hanging over the edge of the ferrule I suggest you avoid sanding or trimming it with up ward strokes as you are strong enough to pull a tip off that way. For the final close sanding and shaping it won't matter.

Just take your time and go slow with the tip trimming and shaping. I think once you learn to do it you will be glad you did and will find some satisfaction in having done it.

But look out, as others will want you to replace there tips if they think you are good at it.
 
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I went to a pool hall today (name withheld on purpose) and asked how much it would cost to have a tip replaced on my jump/Break cue. The owner of the hall gave me a wide range in prices to start then qualified it by saying it would depend on the tip and the shaft. I showed him the cue on the spot. It was a three piece break jump my girl got me for Christmas last year. The cue itself I believe costs about $50-80 tops I cant remember. He asked me what kind of tip I was looking to have put on it. Off the top of my head I told him a Samsara because that was what I remember hearing a lot of praise about on here at the time. He told me he had to text his repair guy and find out a price and if he had one on hand. In the mean time I posted on here asking for tip advice and most seem to be suggesting Taom tips. His repair man texted him back and said he was not home to look to see if he had a tip in stock but it would cost $40-45.
I told him I had to think about it.

I thought about it over lunch today and looked up the price of a Samsara break/jump tip and found them at Ozone for $15 each. I read Samsara have a rep for popping off. Basically, they want to charge me $25-30 labor to replace a tip.

Then I thought about it more and realized that pool hall's repair man is the same person that a few weeks back we asked him to tighten the weight bolt in my girlfriends Cuetec cue and not only was that beyond his ability but he ripped the rubber bumper off it attempting it. When she showed me that I immediately took the cue to him personally and confronted him. He tried to unscrew it from the rubber bumper instead of the entire cap. I know many cues the bumper screws out of the cap but Cuetec specifically warns you on the web not to do that and to unscrew the entire cap. When I told him that he said he tried it but could not do it. I was able to unscrew it by hand in front of him at that time. He then took it in back and tightened the weight bolt. When I asked him how he planned on correcting the damage he offered no solution. I had to ask if he had any glue in back to at least glue the bumper back in place which he did.

I feel like every time I go to that pool hall I get the feeling that besides table time itself which seems very reasonably priced everything else they offer is way over priced. It makes me feel like it will only be a matter of time before they would start charging you to use the rest room if they thought they could get away with it.

I mentioned I was considering getting a ball polisher at home and the owner asked why I could bring my balls in and he could run them through his machine. I thought to myself that was nice of him then he said something like yeah it would take a lot of $5 trips to get the balls cleaned and polished before I would have spent the same money to get a machine of my own. At first I thought he was doing something nice for me then when he said that I realized he was only trying to make more money off of me.

Maybe it is me having worked for a travelling carnival in past my experiences are likely different then most on here. That particular pool hall just reminds me of days gone by when I was working a game booth and the locals came by. It was my job to try and get them to spend as much as possible at my game and send them home broke. The more I go there and see it the more I want to play only in the private sector and not go to the pool hall except on rare occasion. Kind of like going to a carnival when it comes around once a year.


$40 for a quality install is not out of line.

You're not only paying for labor but for the lathe and necessary supplies like glue (which goes bad pretty quick), sandpaper, razor blades, and last and most importantly: the cue mechanic's hard won experience which should guaranteed a tip that won't pop off, polished sides, a nice nickel or dime curvature, preservation of your ferrule, and no chuck marks on your shaft.

One udder thing; no quality installer should ever, never (not even once), touch your shaft for whatever reason to include "a cleaning" unless you've specifically asked for that to be done.

Lou Figueroa
 
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