tips on turning a match around?

whitewolf said:
I have said keep your head down and still so many times that I am glad you said this; it should be mentioned. This is the key to the universe. Without it you are dead meat.

When I used to be in the APA I would have my teammates watch my head and let me know when I moved it. It would be good for a pro to have a 'cornerman' who would watch for this LOL, as even the pros move their heads without realizing it, and even they don't correct the problem. Good example is Johnny Archer in the 2004 US Open. He lifted up on every shot and did not correct himself, and he shot like sh*t.

Thanks, it's simple advice that works for me during a match. I have suggested it to friends while they were in the middle of sets for fairly big money and struggling. It almost always helps to be reminded to do something simple.

Most of the responses have been awesome but many of the suggestions have to do with preparation before the match, which I agree should be implemented: mental excercises; ways to practice; proper techniques; etc. But I believe the poster was looking for suggestions of what to do once you're in the muck in the middle of a match. So this was my suggestion.

Again, this has been fun. Can't be tentative!
 
iacas said:
Dr. Bob Rotella, who's made his money primarily doing golf mental game instruction, would probably say that it's perfectly fine to believe in bad luck so long as your approach is that with each instance of bad luck you're due for some good luck soon.

In other words, if I lip out a 5-foot putt, well then that means I'm that much more likely to lip-IN the next one.

It's basically a way to take "bad luck" and turn it into future good luck, mentally anyway.

A lot of Dr. Bob's golf teachings could easily apply to pool.
Well I'm no doctor, but for me I prefer not to think about luck at all. If you're playing poorly, how can it help you to think that it's being caused by something beyond your control? It might make you feel better, but it doesn't help you play better. As a player, I want to focus my attention on only those things I can control. That way I can actively take steps to improve how I'm playing rather than hope my luck improves. Just my personal take on things. I'm sure Dr. Bob knows a lot more about sports psychology than I do.
 
JLW said:
Well I'm no doctor, but for me I prefer not to think about luck at all. If you're playing poorly, how can it help you to think that it's being caused by something beyond your control? It might make you feel better, but it doesn't help you play better. As a player, I want to focus my attention on only those things I can control. That way I can actively take steps to improve how I'm playing rather than hope my luck improves. Just my personal take on things. I'm sure Dr. Bob knows a lot more about sports psychology than I do.
You don't think something is being caused by something beyond your control, because for anything in the past (including the putt that just lipped out), you inherently have no control over it. Once you hit the putt, it's a stroke you forget. The only shot you can hit is the next one.

Saying "I'm gonna be due" after burning the edges of a few holes is a way to increase confidence for that "next shot." It's not a way of looking back and being negative, but a way of looking forward and being positive.
 
whitewolf said:
I have said keep your head down and still so many times that I am glad you said this; it should be mentioned. This is the key to the universe. Without it you are dead meat.

When I used to be in the APA I would have my teammates watch my head and let me know when I moved it. It would be good for a pro to have a 'cornerman' who would watch for this LOL, as even the pros move their heads without realizing it, and even they don't correct the problem. Good example is Johnny Archer in the 2004 US Open. He lifted up on every shot and did not correct himself, and he shot like sh*t.

What i do to even now, is when i shoot and in my stance i stay down on my shot even after the ball is struck or even if i miss the ball what i do is still in my stance i stroke the cue once or twice to teach myself to stay down on the shot. Until i have a good habit.
 
advice

i have to chime in and say this was one of the best advice for a player i have ever read. you guys hit it on the head on this one. i took away some advice that im sure will help my game
 
iacas said:
You don't think something is being caused by something beyond your control, because for anything in the past (including the putt that just lipped out), you inherently have no control over it. Once you hit the putt, it's a stroke you forget. The only shot you can hit is the next one.

Saying "I'm gonna be due" after burning the edges of a few holes is a way to increase confidence for that "next shot." It's not a way of looking back and being negative, but a way of looking forward and being positive.


Well look, sometimes everyone gets a bad roll. And there are things beyond your control. Maybe the cloth has a piece of dirt under it and the cb hits the dirt, causing the cb to veer off course and hook you. You can say to yourself "Man that was really unlucky." That's one thing. But saying "Man, I cant' get a break today, I'm getting so many bad rolls" is another. IMHO, when you're consistently getting bad rolls it's not bad luck, it's bad playing. To use your golf example- Instead of saying "I'm gonna be due" after lipping out a few putts, I would rather try to figure out why I've lipped out those putts and make the appropriate adjustments next time I putt.

Hoping for better luck does you no good (again IMHO). It might help you maintain a positive attitude, but it doesn't help you to actually correct what you are doing wrong. Like I said before, it's just my personal way of looking at things. I'm sure many will disagree, and they're welcome to.:)
 
When bad rolls happen to good players...

I used to have a list of about 10 things I would carry around in my cue case and read to motivate me when I was doing poorly, but I lost it. :(

I do agree that there are really horrendous rolls that you don't have control over - breaking, parking the cueball and then having it kiss into a scratch, an opponent that constantly hooks you when they miss, the opponent that should have scratched and it just barely hits the tit, or it hangs in the pocket without falling, or when your opponent inadvertantly breaks something out or nudges a ball over and doesn't even know he did something right to make it easier to run out later, or the one where they are not going to have any shape on their given trajectory, but it hits a tit and goes the opposite direction, or they slop in a ball to continue a run, or their cueball is stopped by another ball they didn't know they were going to hit and it slows down or re-directs it in the right direction.

Even Sigel had some really bad rolls against Efren in the IPT tourney. Every time Efren came up dry on the break, there was absolutely nowhere for Mike to shoot or he was jacked up over a ball for a long scary shot. Once, Mike did it to himself by freezing on a ball which took away shots on every one of his balls...it was amazing. 1/8" either way and he would have had a shot.

Anyway, one of the best things I ever heard was when I watched Sherry Ahola win, being down against Julie Nogiec 1-8, and Sherry came back with the heart of a lion to win 9-8. She said she figured that if her opponent could win 8 in a row, she could too. That was a paradigm shift in my thinking.

I have lost twice being up 8-1. Once to Ming Ng at the Bar Table Championships when all I had to do was cinch the 8 with automatic shape on the 9. Instead, I put inside to hold it and on the bar box, there was nothing over there but pocket and I scratched. Then I went on tilt. Another time was when I was up against a guy and just knew it was a matter of time before I won. I made a costly mistake, he ran out, broke a couple 9's in, ran a few racks, and before you know it, the noose tightened and my butt was dust.

So back to my list. One of the things was just to remove myself from the moment and take a break. People don't use their breaks effectively -sometimes you just need to look at something other than the table. Splash some cold water on your face. Shake yourself mentally.

One time, I wanted to really win the finals badly, and she'd already beaten me the first set. So between sets, I went outside, saw the most gorgeous fiery red sunset and felt God's presence. I took some deep breaths, closed my eyes and thanked God for that beautiful moment. I also left it up to Him. I thanked Him for giving me my beautiful children, my loving husband, our health, and my happy life. I knew that it was already decided and that if I didn't win, I would still have what was important to me. Sometimes, I would even carry a picture of my kids to my matches, because that was what was really important to me. I didn't need a pool match to validate me. Being a good mom was what validated my existence. Sounds corny, but at a certain point, you just have to let it go. Btw, I did win. :D

Another thing I will do sometimes when I am scared and tentative, is to pick someone out of the crowd. Usually someone who has nodded or smiled. And I imagine that I have to turn it on for them. So I 'show off', just really try to make an impression and dazzle them with my play. I have only done this a few times (not sure why not more!) and it has really worked. If you are single, pick out a cute girl or guy and just pretend like you are the best player in the room and that they will ask for your autograph later. It's weird how it can turn things around, because now your mindset is not about being angry or whining about rolls, or thinking about losing. It's really not even about winning, but about making an impression on a certain someone and before you know it, you will be making spectacular shots and great decisions. Guess I will need to use that one for the IPT tourneys! lol.

Hope a couple of these help you.
 
scottycoyote said:
arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!, Ive had the most frustrating 2 nights in a row on the pool table. Last night, matching up with a pretty good player, we are pretty close to even, when we are both "on" im probably just a little better. Last night I was shooting great, but just couldnt seem to get any rolls, at one time I had him down 4-1 in a race to 5 and just could not close it out. I chalked it all up to just one of those nights.

Ok tonight same scenario, same player. First match I break and run 3 racks, everything is working and then.....i feel a shift. All of a sudden i have a runout and blow it, and now its 3-1......then 4-1......and dammit if he doesnt come back and win, despite 2 runouts I should have nailed. After that its just right down the toilet. If my shot could scratch it did, id run racks and wobble the 9 and leave it in the pocket. He could do no wrong......miss and leave me safe, everything would fall in for him........I just felt like putting my fist thru the wall.

He could see my frustration and mentioned that my stroke didnt look the same, like i was jabbing at the ball. I think I had gotten so pensive from leaving him out so many times it had gotten to me. I literally must have ran out to the 8 or 9 and ended up losing the game probably 9 times out of 20 games. The last race I was trying to let out my stroke more, speeded up my game and that seemed to help although i still lost.

I felt like I might could have stuck with it and played thru and gotten some money back but i was just so frustrated I decided to pull up. I dont mind being outplayed but I just completely beat myself and handed him everything. My question is do any of you guys have tricks for when you can do no right and your oppenent can do no wrong. I tried deep breathing and relaxing, and I tried to get more conservative at the end, safing anything but the easiest runouts and it was working. What other tricks do you guys use to turn a match around when its like that?

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ok this is kind of interesting. I played the same guy again last night.....and boom, same result, first rack i shut him out 5 0, running racks, gettin out every time i should. And then I lose the next one, and then the crap starts, scratches, bad rolls, and everything works for him, i mean everything. I end up losing the next 3 sets and the room closes.

Ok so ive been reading this book called the mental edge, its all about sports performance, etc. So im about 1/2 way thru this book, and ive just started the part about visualization, just closing your eyes and visualizing yourself playing how you want to play (he goes into much greater detail). So i decided to try this before i went in the pool room tonight, for about 5 minutes. I get to the room, same guy jumps on me, and wouldnt you know I finally beat this guy. We did 4 sets and broke even but we kept upping the bet so i walked away winners 5-2 on the biggest money set. He got rolls, but i didnt even think about it, i would just occasionally close my eyes and visualize what I was seeing earlier, me with a perfect stroke and follow thru, and i was justplaying beautifully, running out, hitting all the shots, didnt even get to warm up before we started. It was like I just started out the whole session in "the zone". Ive never tried this stuff before although Ive heard about it......im gonna keep tinkering with it though.
 
NaClBandit said:
Shark his a$$.

Just kidding.

I know a top player somewhere whose MO is that first line in the quote. He's treacherous, to such an extent that I won't play him anymore. There are limits to everything, and hearing someone tell the other guy "You're a kdkdieh piece of skkjjj" and the like shows what he's made of. Someone who will resort to those tactics might just be more dangerous than you think. Think about it...

Flex
 
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