No...but I will play any player in the world for $1 dollar a game and I'll play for three hours straight without quitting.
You now have an invitation to play a darn good bar banging basement player.:wave2:
Bring your bucks!
To all the Mike Dechaine Nay-Sayers.
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No...but I will play any player in the world for $1 dollar a game and I'll play for three hours straight without quitting.
You now have an invitation to play a darn good bar banging basement player.:wave2:
Bring your bucks!
takeitdown
Banned
I see that...
So a guy in charge of Mosconi doesn't like some people and they do't get picked. It's called politics as usual/
The bigger sin is pass up top talent because of your own ego, going with mediocrity and expecting to win. Nonsense. I hope Mark gets run out on a rail in a year or two. Sure that losing in December will not be his fault somehow. He does spin things pretty well.
"i wish that MD & SVB would bury whatever hatchet, so that Mark Wilson could add Mike to this year's MC roster".
Oh I get it Mike won't play cause Shane's on the team
quick derail - have you ever called someone here an idiot, and been banned for it?
(i'll assume you're declining going straight to the source for your answers)
Or the best player on the team doesn't like someone and won't play if another player is picked ,,take your pic ,, but the fact of the matter is plenty of good players get left of teams because of their behavior ,, I'm sure there's plenty of fans that would like Manny on their baseball team until he starts disgracing the team ,,in this case it would be the USA
Better to be pro active ,
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No in fact I haven't ,, do you honestly think I would get a honest answer ,, nice try though
It's really not to hard to see ,, talent wise yes mikes there however if you think he's going to be disruptive to the teams chemistry , or a disgrace to the Country than if you make any other decision other than leaving him off your a idiot ,,, ,, take note in word usage
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Sorry, I can't seem to put myself at your level of thinking! That being said, what aggression are you talking about? Why would I play Mike?? I'm a fan of the sport, I'm not even any good at the sport! My stroke sucks, my position sucks, and I have no clue how to make a ball with ball in hand!
You can call me the biggest hater here, I'm ok with that! But you also have to admit, I am making positive comments as well! Maybe at your level of thinking, your blind to that, that's not my problem!
The main topic about Mike really is why he is not on the mosconi cup!?!? My opinion is simple, with respect to his game,,,, he definitely deserves to be the team, he's #2 in the country! With respect to his attitude towards the sport,,,,, absolutely not, he should be locked up in a dumpster!
Now, let's imagine we could BOTH think on the same level,,,, Mike himself has admitted tohis not so great attitude and behavior! And wouldn't ya know, he came out and said AFTER he wasn't chosen for the mosconi cup again, and realized he needed to change! I ask you this question, do you want the US mosconi team to be know as a bunch of self centered pool players who don't care about the other, or do you want a US mosconi cup team? That acts and plays like a real championship team?
You think just because I put the negative statements in my threads that I automatically hate dechaine! Understand this, I don't hate him! I actually feel bad for him! He has a lot of demons in his head and he has a lot of work to fight those demons off to get to the next level! What I have personally with Mike is nobody's business except for Mike and I! We will work those out someday, maybe! When you read my posts, please take the time to read it start to finish, and before you make an opinion, please understand what I wrote from start to finish, I know at your level, that's tough to do, but if you read AND understand what I'm trying to say, you will see that I want to see him get to the next level!
No offense, but your last sentence was pretty stupid! Just sayin!
Passion and competitiveness are unrelated to being an a$$hole. Ever heard of Efren Reyes? You don't think he is passionate about the game and winning? You don't think he is competitive and wants to demolish everyone he plays? Yet I don't ever see him being an a$$hole.
What about Alex Pagulayan? Now there is a guy who really wears his emotions on his sleeve, and is as passionate and competitive as they come. When was the last time you heard about him being an a$$hole or unsportsmanlike in competition?
And there are billions more examples in all sports. In fact, it is only 1% of the people who are passionate and competitive who also choose to be an a$$hole or a poor sportsman. The reason someone is an a$$hole or unsportsmanlike has nothing to do with competitiveness or passion. Nothing at all.
In all fairness you are probably the biggest cheerleader for Mike Dechaine on here as well, so much so in fact that you are absolutely blinded by bias. Surely you saw the overwhelming irony in your statement when you made it.
THANK YOU!!! this is what most can't understand!
After all these months you still don't get it. This isn't like an individual tournament where each player is only representing themselves. In this event the players are representing their country and/or their continent. How they will represent their country/continent to the world (and not end up being an embarrassment to them) also has to be taken into consideration along with their abilities on the table.
The other thing you just don't get is that in a team competition there are more dynamics that contribute to a winning formula than individual pool skills alone. For example, someone who is constantly irritating and pissing off their teammates and who nobody wants to be around is probably going to end up negatively affecting their teammates and causing them to play worse. Somebody who for example would tell a teammate "holy crap dude you really suck, I can't believe you dogged that match, you are going to cause us to lose this whole thing this year, you don't deserve to be here and shouldn't have ever been selected, I hope you feel good about yourself for screwing up so bad" is probably not a good guy to have on the team because he is almost assured to have a negative impact on the performance of the others.
On the flip side, somebody who is easy to get along with and well liked and respected, and who is always trying to pump up their teammates and inspire confidence in their games can have a positive impact and influence on a team and help to raise their level of play and is exactly the type of person you want on a team. There is so much more to team dynamics than these specific examples but you get the point. How well the guys respect and like each other and how well they support and encourage each other can and usually does have a tremendous impact on how well they will end up performing.
Another thing Mark Wilson also appears to be looking for is players that are young and still receptive to input. Meaning that they can be coached. What point is there in having a team captain if he can't have any impact or contribute anything because the players are not receptive to it? What good would that do? Older more established players sometimes aren't open to coaching, and certain personality types certainly aren't open to it, and Mark appears to be taking these things into consideration as well.
Nowhere have I have seen Mark Wilson claim these are America's best 8 players based on individual pool ability alone. The reason is because individual pool ability alone isn't nor should it be the sole criteria. What Mark Wilson is trying to do is put together the players that he believes are best with all things taken into consideration, their individual skill, their ability to be good teammates and team players, their ability to represent America with some class and with minimal chance for being an embarrassment to their country, and who are coach-able where he might be able to have an impact both in their preparation leading up to the event and during the event itself (and perhaps even a long lasting impact since these younger guys are the future of American pool and Mosconi Cup team rosters).
Now we can argue and discuss which players are best under those criteria all things considered, but to try to argue for the inclusion of players based on only a single criteria is truly idiotic because there is more than one criteria that matters and makes a difference and that has to be taken into consideration. Everyone including Mark Wilson knows that other players might be above some of the current pool of 8 in single criteria. Mike Dechaine and Johnny Archer are almost certainly better players than many. Tommy Kennedy and Tony Robles are almost certainly better team players and sportsman and representatives than many, etc. So what, it doesn't matter. What matters is who is the best fit when all the criteria are taken into consideration, and unfortunately some people are so poor in certain areas that they have to be excluded from consideration, at least at this point in time.
No I mean in the game, as I said time will tell there. You say you're stating the facts but the truth is it's the facts as you perceive them and please don't presume to discern what I would or wouldn't care about. Also personal insults are not necessary, that's also a sign of a lack of maturity as is your determination that Mike, after admitting to past mistakes and openly apologizing for them is not worthy of forgiveness. It's not only immature but petty and small minded. You should try to rise above that. As I said earlier, try forgiveness, it's free, it feels good and is a sign of maturity and character. :wave:
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These are the points I've been saying for months that some just don't seem to understand ,, sounds so much better when you say it
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Hold on their hot rod you started the insults ,,, and sorry ,,it's not how I perceive anything
His behavior is legendary and many many people can attest to it ,, I thought he was going to have a melt down at CSI *****ing about the rack the cue ball I commented at the time he better watch out or he will end up with Rodny ,,, he did in that case get back to earth ,, but until he proves he can keep his composure time and time again people who are responsible for picking the players as it's a reflection of them are going to be a little leery of picking Mike ,, not to mention you also have to consider the other players
It's not like he's the Ronald Reagan of pool or anything several pros don't like his antics
either and that has to be taken into consideration ,, it's a team event ,, one bad apple as they say ,,
Mike keeps it together he'll get another shot
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takeitdown
Banned
You guys on here think you know what makes him tick. He put up with a lot from other established pros. Nobody wants to see you succeed. When he wins somebody has to lose. Pool isn't a popularity contest. He who is best wins period. All the interpersonal bullshit is irrelevant. The man plays lights out. We will see that at Turning Stone next week and again at the open. He could be a serial killer and his ability as a pool player is still not debatable.
Just because you forgive someone doesn't mean that you should be blind and dumb to reality and ignore the realistic probabilities that they may repeat those negative behaviors in the future. And in situations where there could be a fairly significant impact (embarrassment to a country on an international stage), it is especially prudent to take such things into consideration with reality and not rose covered glasses. To not do so is what would be small minded and immature and unintelligent.
And truth be told the chances they re-offend and do it again are pretty high, and certainly much higher than they are with someone else who hasn't done it in the past. Forgiveness and trust are separate things. Forgiveness can just be given--trust has to be earned. And the only thing that can reestablish trust in someone is when they establish a new and proven track record, which takes time, and no mess ups.
takeitdown
Banned
A man's character and whether or not they might end up being an embarrassment to their country may not be important things to you, but they are important to most others.
Please point me to the posts of people who are trying to debate this. You keep arguing, repeatedly, over and over and over again, about how Mike is a great player. I don't see anyone arguing with you about that though. It is like you are having a one person conversation/argument just for fun or something, because nobody is arguing back with you about him being a great player, so why do you keep arguing that?
There won't be any excuse but I can assure you if we lose with some class it will be much better than like last year looking like a ass
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What's your point? We get it. You don't care if the team was made up of all child molesters and people that rob and beat up old ladies if those were our top players. Character means nothing to you. Team dynamics mean nothing to you. If your country is embarrassed on an international stage it means nothing to you. Nothing means anything to you except trying to win at all costs regardless of any other factors. You sound exactly like the type of guy that would cheat to win. We get it, you only care about winning at all costs no matter what you have to do, or what else you have to put up with or accept to get that win.
The irony is that it didn't work so well for you with last years team though did it? I mean if we were beating Europe 11-2 every time then I could half understand your position even if I didn't agree with it. But we have been getting killed anyway and you still aren't open to at least making sure we don't embarrass ourselves with our behavior or seeing if maybe better team dynamics and interpersonal relationships might have a positive impact on performance.
You also sound like that definition of insanity that you often hear, which is "doing the same things over and over and expecting different results." Let's keep embarrassing ourselves with our behavior, lets keep sending teams that are not cohesive and supportive of each other, lets keep not taking this seriously, and hope that one day they might just fluke a win. Good plan.
I have had several occasions to watch Mike play live. I have watched him on live streams multiple times. In my personal experience he has been fan friendly, approachable and respectful to opponents. I accept that he has had some issues with self control when disappointed with himself as he has admitted to this and has indicated he is working on this and it would appear that he has made progress and should be encouraged for it.
I have noticed a marked improvement in his level of play and applaud him for the work ethic that it takes to do this.
By way of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that he would be a valuable addition to the Mosconi Cup and have stated that. The experience that he went through on being a member previously and his recent growth as a player and a person is what leads me to that opinion.
I respect that others might have other opinions and I enjoy being exposed to the opinions of other fans of this game whether they are simply stating a preference or making a passionate argument in support of a strong position that they are taking; that is if they are respectful to others.
In that context I would comment that Poolplaya9 presents some interesting points in his post #90. For example, he says that Mark Wilson appears to be looking for younger players that are still receptive to input and therefore more coachable, I would agree with that but would add that a strong Captain/leader would be able to take control of all but the most stubborn. If you look at the European team, they have some strong personalities that have been made to buy into the team concept through, I believe, strong leadership; this has been lacking on Team USA in my opinion.
I also agree that there is more than one thing (criteria) that must be considered when assessing the suitability of those under consideration but skill level must carry a lot of the weight. I also agree that some people, Strickland, Hatch and Morris (all of my favorites to watch) and Archer have a lot of baggage that would preclude them. I simply think that Mike is not in that category and at his current skill level and growth in maturity would be a welcome addition.
I have noticed a marked improvement in his level of play and applaud him for the work ethic that it takes to do this.
By way of full disclosure, I am of the opinion that he would be a valuable addition to the Mosconi Cup and have stated that. The experience that he went through on being a member previously and his recent growth as a player and a person is what leads me to that opinion.
I respect that others might have other opinions and I enjoy being exposed to the opinions of other fans of this game whether they are simply stating a preference or making a passionate argument in support of a strong position that they are taking; that is if they are respectful to others.
In that context I would comment that Poolplaya9 presents some interesting points in his post #90. For example, he says that Mark Wilson appears to be looking for younger players that are still receptive to input and therefore more coachable, I would agree with that but would add that a strong Captain/leader would be able to take control of all but the most stubborn. If you look at the European team, they have some strong personalities that have been made to buy into the team concept through, I believe, strong leadership; this has been lacking on Team USA in my opinion.
I also agree that there is more than one thing (criteria) that must be considered when assessing the suitability of those under consideration but skill level must carry a lot of the weight. I also agree that some people, Strickland, Hatch and Morris (all of my favorites to watch) and Archer have a lot of baggage that would preclude them. I simply think that Mike is not in that category and at his current skill level and growth in maturity would be a welcome addition.