To all the Mike Dechaine Nay-Sayers.

While I haven't seen Mike play personally, I haven't seen him do anything egregious on the streams I have seen him on. Yeah I am sure he can rub some the wrong way but so what? Not everybody likes everyone.

On the Mosconi Cup team pick I certainly think he is in the top tier of candidates, but I dont think you can make the argument the the entire Mosconi cup victory depends on him. Arguments can be made both ways for him being on/off the team, just on won loss record and experience, even independent of any behavioral criteria.
 
Funny how someone can get such a hard on for a player that's never even cracked $50k in yearly winnings.
 
Mike Dechaine is brash, cocky, mega-talented, and an intense competitor who, despite what some on here may think, loves our sport.

Mike has not done anything egregious. He has blown off some steam and shown frustration at times like I'm guessing the vast majority of us have in our younger days. I know I've done it but my matches weren't being streamed. :smile:

He's not a criminal.

or a terrorist...

He is not Ray Rice.

I'd bet it would surprise some folks if they were to find out some of the *very nice* things MD is involved in.

best,
brian kc
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Mike Dechaine is brash, cocky, mega-talented, and an intense competitor who, despite what some on here may think, loves our sport.

Mike has not done anything egregious. He has blown off some steam and shown frustration at times like I'm guessing the vast majority of us have in our younger days. I know I've done it but my matches weren't being streamed. :smile:

He's not a criminal.

or a terrorist...

He is not Ray Rice.

I'd bet it would surprise some folks if they were to find out some of the *very nice* things MD is involved in.

best,
brian kc
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He's not getting the electric chair ,,, a Captain was selected , to pic and run the team how he's see's fit and he left Mike off obviously not because of his shooting ability but because of his reputation and his past performances in the MC that were less than stellar
If he had picked Mike and he had a episode followed by a similar performance you can believe he would be hung on the cross ,, so like it or not I don't see how he could have made any other decision ,,
Any Captain / coach would love to have the best players available as long as the rewards out weigh the risks ,, that simply is not the case here
Give the guy a chance and judge him by the results


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RBC said:
Well, I guess you've made my point for me. No matter how many threads there are about it, or how many press releases go out, the news in the pool world just travels very slow. I'm sure there are many videos out there that show players when they were playing with different equipment. That doesn't mean it's current.


Mike signed with us earlier this year. Take a look at our OB Pro's page on our website.

http://www.obcues.com/pages/Team-OB.html

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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My apologies, I don't keep myself up to speed with the latest equipment that the pros uses.

heck, I don't even read the news.
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Mike Dechaine is brash, cocky, mega-talented, and an intense competitor who, despite what some on here may think, loves our sport.

Mike has not done anything egregious. He has blown off some steam and shown frustration at times like I'm guessing the vast majority of us have in our younger days. I know I've done it but my matches weren't being streamed. :smile:

He's not a criminal.

or a terrorist...

He is not Ray Rice.

I'd bet it would surprise some folks if they were to find out some of the *very nice* things MD is involved in.

best,
brian kc
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Just the same, it would surprise some folks at the BS he's stirred up, on his own;)

I really don't understand what the problem is? Why so many people can NOT put through into there cranium that Mike is not on the mosconi team because of his antics of the past(and so past)! Everyone agrees he's an extremely talented player, no doubt about that. But it's his attitude that got him where he is, NOT on the mosconi cup!

It truly amazes me how some people are actually smart enough to breath!

I'm sure if Mike makes the necessary changes, (not in his game) he will be on next years mosconi cup! I think what Mark Wilson has done is an extremely great thing for Mike! It opened his eyes to the type of person he is, and now he sees it, and now it's time for the great MD to rise to the occasion and make the necessary changes for himself, and not just for this great sport, but in life as well!
 
liakos said:
Just the same, it would surprise some folks at the BS he's stirred up, on his own;)

I really don't understand what the problem is? Why so many people can NOT put through into there cranium that Mike is not on the mosconi team because of his antics of the past(and so past)! Everyone agrees he's an extremely talented player, no doubt about that. But it's his attitude that got him where he is, NOT on the mosconi cup!

It truly amazes me how some people are actually smart enough to breath!

I'm sure if Mike makes the necessary changes, (not in his game) he will be on next years mosconi cup! I think what Mark Wilson has done is an extremely great thing for Mike! It opened his eyes to the type of person he is, and now he sees it, and now it's time for the great MD to rise to the occasion and make the necessary changes for himself, and not just for this great sport, but in life as well!
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Your style of debate is interesting.

There is a pattern that keeps circling back around to how you are an elite thinker compared to anyone who do not share your views.

And, for the record, you chose to copy my post and then do your 'smart enough to breathe" commentary.

I never mentioned mark wilson or mosconi cup or anything else having to do with that topic.

So, then was there something specific you read in my post that you had a problem with?

or are you just a Mike Dechaine basher, generally?

best,
brian kc
 
Kickin' Chicken said:
Your style of debate is interesting.

There is a pattern that keeps circling back around to how you are an elite thinker compared to anyone who do not share your views.

And, for the record, you chose to copy my post and then do your 'smart enough to breathe" commentary.

I never mentioned mark wilson or mosconi cup or anything else having to do with that topic.

So, then was there something specific you read in my post that you had a problem with?

or are you just a Mike Dechaine basher, generally?

best,
brian kc
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No, I kind of summed it up generally! Not you in particular. It gets aggravating that everyone says it's not fair that Mike isn't on the mosconi, when the reason isn't because of his ability at the table! In the case of bashing, it works both ways!

As far as my thinking, no, my thinking is way out of the box! I'm a problem solved! I believe one must find the problem, understand the problem, and fix the problem! I don't let things get out of hand:) sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to!
 
liakos said:
No, I kind of summed it up generally! Not you in particular. It gets aggravating that everyone says it's not fair that Mike isn't on the mosconi, when the reason isn't because of his ability at the table! In the case of bashing, it works both ways!

As far as my thinking, no, my thinking is way out of the box! I'm a problem solved! I believe one must find the problem, understand the problem, and fix the problem! I don't let things get out of hand:) sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to!
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Do you think Darren should be on the team after getting DQ in vegas for unsportsmanlike conduct
or Ralf after what happened in vegas in all fairness Mike should be on the team imo
 
terryhanna said:
Do you think Darren should be on the team after getting DQ in vegas for unsportsmanlike conduct
or Ralf after what happened in vegas in all fairness Mike should be on the team imo
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Excellent question:) you will need to ask the European captain:) from what I know, Mark Wilson is team captain for USA.
 
Don't know how much of a fan I am of Mike's. Probably don't care for people with overly shitty attitudes.

But then, I have always liked Earl.

From watching the video, Mike can play thats a fer sure.

Coming from strictly an ability stand point, someone may be having second thoughts on his being on the team.

But then, he just got a year time out and he knows what for and apparently making an effort to change.

If that works out, good cause no one said that he can never play on the team again, just not this year.

As someone mentioned, he can play rotation but it would be nice to know what other games he excels cell at.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
Don't know how much of a fan I am of Mike's. Probably don't care for people with overly shitty attitudes.

But then, I have always liked Earl.

From watching the video, Mike can play thats a fer sure.

Coming from strictly an ability stand point, someone may be having second thoughts on his being on the team.

But then, he just got a year time out and he knows what for and apparently making an effort to change.

If that works out, good cause no one said that he can never play on the team again, just not this year.

As someone mentioned, he can play rotation but it would be nice to know what other games he excels cell at.
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The above is really what it boils down to, in my opinion.

He and Corey just recently beat Efren and Bustamonte playing 8-ball at the CSI thing, I guess he can play that.

He's been in the the big 14.1 events in New York and Maryland the last couple years, as well.

Haven't heard anything about him playing banks or one-pocket, doesn't mean he doesn't/hasn't played them, just that I've not read anything about it.
 
I don't believe that having a charismatic personality should be a requisite for a pro player to be considered for any pool competition.

We have a lady who works with us who is cantankerous, stays by herself, never says good morning, just a hermit with a bad attitude. Yet, this lady can produce high-quality work and is one of the best I've seen in my industry. If I had to pick somebody to be on my team to do a job, it would be her.

Pro pool players are not paid enough to be ambassadors. They're struggling to keep on keeping on in a fractured industry.

Sure, we all have our favorites and those we don't care for, but it should *not* enter into the discussion about who should be in which competition. IMO, it should be based on capabilities, not how nice a person is.
 
JAM said:
I don't believe that having a charismatic personality should be a requisite for a pro player to be considered for any pool competition.

We have a lady who works with us who is cantankerous, stays by herself, never says good morning, just a hermit with a bad attitude. Yet, this lady can produce high-quality work and is one of the best I've seen in my industry. If I had to pick somebody to be on my team to do a job, it would be her.

Pro pool players are not paid enough to be ambassadors. They're struggling to keep on keeping on in a fractured industry.

Sure, we all have our favorites and those we don't care for, but it should *not* enter into the discussion about who should be in which competition. IMO, it should be based on capabilities, not how nice a person is.
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Totally agree! But, if the attitude carries over to other people not performing well,,,, then something needs to be changed;)

That's all that's happened here, is change! Everyone is changing, even Mike, and hopefully all for the better!
 
justadub said:
The above is really what it boils down to, in my opinion.

He and Corey just recently beat Efren and Bustamonte playing 8-ball at the CSI thing, I guess he can play that.

He's been in the the big 14.1 events in New York and Maryland the last couple years, as well.

Haven't heard anything about him playing banks or one-pocket, doesn't mean he doesn't/hasn't played them, just that I've not read anything about it.
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Knowing Mike and his genuine interest for the game, I have no doubt that if he took lessons from John Brumback, he would probably win the Derby City bank championship within a couple of years.

Mike is determined to be the best. Sure, he makes mistakes, doesn't everyone? Let it go, it's time to move on to something else, This criticism of Mike is getting a little old.
 
What if the criteria was different? Would people still complain if he wasn't on the team? The team is not who is the best, but who fits the criteria the Mosconi Cup captain put out.

What if the criteria was, having to place in the top 5 of an all American 9 Ball tourney using the same race and rules of the Mosconi Cup? If Mike wasn't in the top 5 would you still complain? Not placing in the top 5 doesn't mean you are not the 2nd best player (if that is what you believe), it only means you weren't for that day.

How come there are not a lot of threads, on Johnny Archer, Rodney Morris, Earl Strickland, etc. not being on the team.

Everyone can have their own opinion on Mike, but you can not have your own facts.
 
robsnotes4u said:
...How come there are not a lot of threads, on Johnny Archer, Rodney Morris, Earl Strickland, etc. not being on the team....
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Because JA, RM, and ES do not have as many AzB members who are "friends" as MD does, to include new members. ;)
 
Mike is a friend and one of the most talented players I've ever seen.

I wish him all the best......
 
dougster26 said:
Knowing Mike and his genuine interest for the game, I have no doubt that if he took lessons from John Brumback, he would probably win the Derby City bank championship within a couple of years.

Mike is determined to be the best. Sure, he makes mistakes, doesn't everyone? Let it go, it's time to move on to something else, This criticism of Mike is getting a little old.
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Well, one thing's for sure, the fact that they're talking about him means he's hit the big time in the pool world. If they ain't talking about you in the American pool culture, then you haven't made it yet. :grin-square:

Mike's the forum fodder this week. Next week, it will be back to verbally ripping apart poor Earl. :eek:

Welcome to American pool, where no matter how good you play, you're still no good. :o
 
JAM said:
I don't believe that having a charismatic personality should be a requisite for a pro player to be considered for any pool competition.

We have a lady who works with us who is cantankerous, stays by herself, never says good morning, just a hermit with a bad attitude. Yet, this lady can produce high-quality work and is one of the best I've seen in my industry. If I had to pick somebody to be on my team to do a job, it would be her.

Pro pool players are not paid enough to be ambassadors. They're struggling to keep on keeping on in a fractured industry.

Sure, we all have our favorites and those we don't care for, but it should *not* enter into the discussion about who should be in which competition. IMO, it should be based on capabilities, not how nice a person is.
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Jennie;

I agree with this.

It's no longer news that Mark Wilson looked at the mess Team USA was in and how poorly (unsportsmanlike) some behaved during their matches and so he decided he was going to change that.

One thing that I wonder about though is could Mark, as a captain (coach) have challenged himself a little and worked with Mike to see if they could make it work. You see this sort of thing happen, often with great results, in other sports.

Mark decided to go with the exclusion option.

I don't recall in which publication it was but after being named captain for Team USA, and well before announcing his 8 picks, Mark said without specifically naming Mike, and I'm paraphrasing here; 'don't come running to me saying you won the Ocean State Championship'.

So, obviously, Mark had his mind made up about Mike right out of the gate.

For me, it all boils down to whether or not you believe a potential team member who is clearly talented enough to be on the team, might be too much of a distraction or disruption to team mates. That the risk of them being on board outweighs the benefit they could provide.

Mark made his call. I don't neccesarily agree.

I love the raw emotion of Mosconi Cup....

and players who are not devoid of emotion.

and I respect good sportsmanship, too. :wink:

but remember, it's like a freakin' war on that stage with some serious pressure... :cool: :eek:

I will never not root for Team USA.

best,
brian kc
 
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