So I did a search on this and came up dry. Please do tell why you feel the way you do. I am asking if ALL the rules are exactly the same how do you feeel about only having to call the 9ball?
To call or not to call the 9
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I'm sure what is being asked?
If the rules are exactly the same, I follow the given rules and feel fine about it.
If the rules are exactly the same, I follow the given rules and feel fine about it.
I'm sure what is being asked?
If the rules are exactly the same, I follow the given rules and feel fine about it.
You want to vote "Don't care either way"
I think all games of pool should be call ball-call pocket! This is a game of precision and when played by people of moderate to high skill, slopping in a ball should not be a factor.
IMO, the only exception would be in the amateur leagues like APA. I believe that if you are a 1,2, or 3, you don't have to call your ball or pocket. If you luck a ball in, that's fine. Everyone 4 and up, sorry about your luck, but you must call it.
Then again, I think you should call ANY safety shot as well, and if you accidentally hook your opponent, it is his choice whether to shoot or make you shoot again.
IMO, the only exception would be in the amateur leagues like APA. I believe that if you are a 1,2, or 3, you don't have to call your ball or pocket. If you luck a ball in, that's fine. Everyone 4 and up, sorry about your luck, but you must call it.
Then again, I think you should call ANY safety shot as well, and if you accidentally hook your opponent, it is his choice whether to shoot or make you shoot again.
I think 9ball is an exception you would take away some of the 2 way shot aspect of the game. 10ball & 9ball both have beauty all their own, just like all pool games.
I agree
Interesting idea
I think you have it backwards.
How often does a high level player slop in balls?
The answer is basically never, no calling really needed outside of multirail banks and/or kicks.
The lower the level you are, the more calling a shot becomes relevent.
I voted mildly opposed because I think it's a solution for a non-existent problem and I don't like unnecessary rules.
I think there's no problem to solve because (1) slop is a good thing (at least psychologically) for lower-skilled players and (2) slop isn't really a factor for higher-skilled players.
9 Ball isn't supposed to be played one game at a time - luck won't be a big factor over a several-game set. Keep it simple.
pj <- like 10 Ball though...
chgo
I think there's no problem to solve because (1) slop is a good thing (at least psychologically) for lower-skilled players and (2) slop isn't really a factor for higher-skilled players.
9 Ball isn't supposed to be played one game at a time - luck won't be a big factor over a several-game set. Keep it simple.
pj <- like 10 Ball though...
chgo
I think 9ball is an exception you would take away some of the 2 way shot aspect of the game. 10ball & 9ball both have beauty all their own, just like all pool games.
I agree
Interesting idea
I lost you at the last one didn't I? I figure there will be a lot of people that disagree with me on that one. That's the beauty of opinions. We don't all have to agree.
As far as the two way shot is concerned. You can still call the 9-ball and the pocket it's going into along with another ball. If you miss the 9, then as long as you make your original object ball, you keep going. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe I saw 7-ball being played that way.
It can get confusing trying to describe it thru words, but it's easy to implement on the table.
At my home table, all balls are called in all games, except one pocket where the pocket is obvious.
Dan
Dan
Well I got the feeling your question was more to the point of an opinion of called shots. But then you added a disclaimer refering to rules creating a flaw in the poll IMO.
The rules are what ever they are and yes, I don't care either way. If I don't like the rules, then I don't play an event/match.
As for the simple idea of intended shot making, I think you should only get credit for shots you intended to make but that often limits many possiblities. Typically call shot rules allow for a single call shot only whereas the idea should allow for more complex variations to include combos/2 ways and backups/safties and so on. Just not a possible or practical scenerio.
In regards to 10 ball comments....
10 ball is not a call shot game, it became call shot well after the fact and is still not always played call shot. There are pro tours down here that still don't play it call shot.
Like everything else in the game, the are no real rules to pool, only ways some people deceide to play.
I agree, however you will probably never get most current 9 ball players to agree with calling any and all safety shots. This would take away the so-called two-way-shot, which is a "luck" shot any way you look at it. The "if I miss you won't have a shot" is considered an equalizer by many, many people. That "IF" is what makes it a lucky shot. You should play well enough to call a shot to make it and if you miss you should pay the penalty. If you don't play well enough to make it you should call the safety and make your opponent shoot. This will make the game harder, however, so it'll never happen.
No.
IIRC, you can only call one ball/shot. Missing that call and making anything else is considered a miss.
I do agree in CALL POCKET, but not in calling every bump, kiss, or carom. "Nine ball corner pocket" how it gets there luck or skill it does not matter.
In basketball when they shoot a 3 pointer they don't yell "net or glass" before they shoot. If the ball goes in the hole its good.
In Golf they don't say what a great hole in one shot over the pond its a real shame he didn't call "Pin or cup" before he shot or that would have counted.
In football the quarterback doesn't call his passes as "tipped or clean" if the reciever catches the ball across the line no matter how it gets there its good.
What matters is the "destination" a pocket, basket, hole, and endzone.
All are Games of skill with a little luck mixed in.
In basketball when they shoot a 3 pointer they don't yell "net or glass" before they shoot. If the ball goes in the hole its good.
In Golf they don't say what a great hole in one shot over the pond its a real shame he didn't call "Pin or cup" before he shot or that would have counted.
In football the quarterback doesn't call his passes as "tipped or clean" if the reciever catches the ball across the line no matter how it gets there its good.
What matters is the "destination" a pocket, basket, hole, and endzone.
All are Games of skill with a little luck mixed in.
Never? I beg to differ. They don't happen often, but they do happen. That's when you see them offer up a hand to their opponent, because they know they got a lucky roll.
In an amateur setting like APA, if you make the low level players (1,2,or3's) call their shots, then the advantage strongly favors the high level players. Right now if I was to play a 1 in a 9-ball, they have to get to 14 before I get to 75. With the rules the way they are, the favorite would be the 1. If you change the rules to where they have to call their shots, then I would be the favorite.
The low level players need the added help of "slop". They are still learning how to play the game. After reaching a proper skill level, then you take that option away from them.
RRfireblade, it could be that you and the people that you play with, are at a much higher level than me and mine. That is awesome! I hope I can get to that level someday.
I voted 'strongly opposed'
...and for me that includes 10-ball.
The 10-ball tourney that Alex won in Tunica was Texas express rules...
...I never saw any ridiculous matches.
And 3-cushion and snooker remain quite skillful without calling anything.
...and you can only call ONE ball on any shot.
Thanks for the correction.
Like I said, I wasn't 100% sure. Now I know that I'm 100% wrong.
It's really just a perspective thing I guess. Obviously a higher level player can slop but what the percentage, 1/100 shots or something? Calling it then save 1/100 bad shots, IMO its just not going to amount to much. It'd be like calling shots that might fly off the table.
Lesser players slop all over the place, again IMO, don't see that as a learning benefit to them. It more likely that they start "bangin" balls in the hopes that if they miss, it might go somewhere else. I'd rather see those players improve by knowing each shot matters and playing it as such.
But either way, its just an opinion. No right or wrong.
And thanks for the compliment.