to hell with call shots...anyone else gone back to "slop" and loving it?

[ENGLISH!]

In yall's world is a safety considered chicken shit pool?

It's not so clean cut as that, but yes, in the pool bars, it is sort of considered the 'cowardly' thing to do, but it will not start any wars.

It generally only happens when one simply does not have a shot that can be reasonably attempted & will almost certainly be a mis. If one has a reasonable shot & opts for a safety it is usually frowned upon.

Now that is not the same for leagues or higher gambling matches.

All Best Wishes for ALL.

 

[BeiberLvr]

You play slop ball all you want.

There is some luck in other aspects of the game, but in a game that may require the greatest amount of skill based from those that have played golf & pool, I do not think one should get credit for making a ball that they basically missed what they intended to do.

ALL Best Wishes for All.

There is luck in every single sport out there. All which require WAYYYYYY more skill than pool. So why should pool be any different? Are you really that much of a nit?

 

[ENGLISH!]

There is luck in every single sport out there. All which require WAYYYYYY more skill than pool. So why should pool be any different? Are you really that much of a nit?

Why should pool be any different?

Hey, If you don't understand what being a gentleman is, then I seriously doubt that I can explain it to you.

At one time, rather long ago, this was a game played by gentleman.

Perhaps one day it will be again...

but I am not holding my breathe.

There was a time in tennis that if a lines person made a bad call, a player would intentionally lose the next point in order to make the competition right & fair.

Golfers to this day call fouls on themselves for the most seemingly meaningless of rules violations.

There is such a thing called Honor. It's becoming extinct in many aspects of life, but it still exists in many Men & Women & even of a very young age.

All Best Wishes ALL.

 

[AtLarge]

A number of people seem to be referring to call pocket as call shot. They are two different things. I don't think I have ever seen anyone play call shot 14.1.

I know what you mean, Neil; perhaps that's the terminology some places. But to the WPA (world-standardized) rules and the BCAPL rules (and I don't know how many other sets of rules), the term for designating ball and pocket in 8-Ball, 10-Ball, and 14.1 is "call shot." Those are "call shot" games.

[So having to also indicate extra baloney like caroms and cushions must make it a "call junk" game.]

 

[cuesblues]

It's not so clean cut as that, but yes, in the pool bars, it is sort of considered the 'cowardly' thing to do, but it will not start any wars.

It generally only happens when one simply does not have a shot that can be reasonably attempted & will almost certainly be a mis. If one has a reasonable shot & opts for a safety it is usually frowned upon.

Now that is not the same for leagues or higher gambling matches.

All Best Wishes for ALL.

What you describe is good ole hillbilly bar pool.
You call it cowardly, and the hillbillies call it something else.
Either way, that is not what pool is about, and now you want to take those ridiculous hillbilly rules, and make one pocket just another bar game like beer pong.

The only pool games I've seen that doesn't allow for safeties, is 7ball and bar pool.
I don't consider bar pool, pool, but I guess some towns have never heard of one of them there pool halls.

 

[AtLarge]

... The only pool games I've seen that doesn't allow for safeties, is 7ball and bar pool. ...

Ring games sometimes.

 

[FranCrimi]

I played in professional nine ball events for over 25 years and first of all --- We never used the term 'slop.' One of the benefits of playing rotation pool where you don't call shots is the two-way shot, which by the way, is an extremely skillful move.

The better you get, the less that luck becomes an issue in a non-call shot game. I've played entire sets of 9-ball on many occasions where luck never played a significant role.

So, feel free to call me a pool snob, but I don't like the crude term 'slop'. Save it for descriptions of muddy race track conditions.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Why should pool be any different?

Hey, If you don't understand what being a gentleman is, then I seriously doubt that I can explain it to you.

At one time, rather long ago, this was a game played by gentleman.

Perhaps one day it will be again...

but I am not holding my breathe.

There was a time in tennis that if a lines person made a bad call, a player would intentionally lose the next point in order to make the competition right & fair.

Golfers to this day call fouls on themselves for the most seemingly meaningless of rules violations.

There is such a thing called Honor. It's becoming extinct in many aspects of life, but it still exists in many Men & Women & even of a very young age.

All Best Wishes ALL.

Strawman.

A golfer calling a foul on themselves has nothing to do with luck.

We are, in fact, talking about luck here. Not integrity.

 

[pt109]

Why should pool be any different?

Hey, If you don't understand what being a gentleman is, then I seriously doubt that I can explain it to you.

At one time, rather long ago, this was a game played by gentleman.

Perhaps one day it will be again...

but I am not holding my breathe.

There was a time in tennis that if a lines person made a bad call, a player would intentionally lose the next point in order to make the competition right & fair.

Golfers to this day call fouls on themselves for the most seemingly meaningless of rules violations.

There is such a thing called Honor. It's becoming extinct in many aspects of life, but it still exists in many Men & Women & even of a very young age.

All Best Wishes ALL.

Hmmm....defending bar rules and gentlemen in the same thread.

I understand English......but I don't understand ENGLISH.

 

[ENGLISH!]

What you describe is good ole hillbilly bar pool.
You call it cowardly, and the hillbillies call it something else.
Either way, that is not what pool is about, and now you want to take those ridiculous hillbilly rules, and make one pocket just another bar game like beer pong.

The only pool games I've seen that doesn't allow for safeties, is 7ball and bar pool.
I don't consider bar pool, pool, but I guess some towns have never heard of one of them there pool halls.

New Orleans is not a hillbilly area & I did not say that I wanted one pocket to be played that way. I said I would not mind if it was played that way.

So... now you are saying that pool is not about a high level of skill but it is instead about sloppy crap luck.

Do you think if you call a 20 degree cut shot into a corner pocket & somehow miss it by 3 degrees & it hits another ball 1/2 way between where it sat & the pocket & goes in that you should get credit for a skilled shot in that instance.

I was taught call shot vs call pocket in 1968 when I was 13 by an elderly man that played most of his pool before there was ever such a thing as a coin table or at least before he ever saw one. He played his pool in pool halls.

When both players are of a high skill level there is usually not a need for calling the details because the opponent knows that the shot is being executed as intended. When both players are not of a high skill level & one makes a shot as I described earlier without calling the hitting of that other ball that shot is no good... & when both players are of a high skill level they would not take such a shot like that when unintended. Perhaps it is Southern Thing that has to do with Honor & Chivalty.

I will play by any rules someone wants as long as we both know what those rules are going in.

I am one of the very few that will play that Gentleman his "clean" rules 8 ball. He likes it when I do that because that is how his Dad taught him that the game should be played. Call pocket & only completely 'clean' shots count.

You can play how ever you wish just as everyone else can.

One way, call shot & not call pocket, requires more skill & avoids getting credit for what basically may have been a missed shot or an unintended manner of pocketing the shot. Hence luck instead of skill.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.

 

[cuesblues]

New Orleans is not a hillbilly area & I did not say that I wanted one pocket to be played that way. I said I would not mind if it was played that way.

So... now you are saying that pool is not about a high level of skill but it is instead about sloppy crap luck.

Do you think if you call a 20 degree cut shot into a corner pocket & somehow miss it by 3 degrees & it hits another ball 1/2 way between where it sat & the pocket & goes in that you should get credit for a skilled shot in that instance.

I was taught call shot vs call pocket in 1968 when I was 13 by an elderly man that played most of his pool before there was ever such a thing as a coin table or at least before he ever saw one. He played his pool in pool halls.

When both players are of a high skill level there is usually not a need for calling the details because the opponent knows that the shot is being executed as intended. When both players are not of a high skill level & one makes a shot as I described earlier without calling the hitting of that other ball that shot is no good... & when both players are of a high skill level they would not take such a shot like that when unintended. Perhaps it is Southern Thing that has to do with Honor & Chivalty.

I will play by any rules someone wants as long as we both know what those rules are going in.

I am one of the very few that will play that Gentleman his "clean" rules 8 ball. He likes it when I do that because that is how his Dad taught him that the game should be played. Call pocket & only completely 'clean' shots count.

You can play how ever you wish just as everyone else can.

One way, call shot & not call pocket, requires more skill & avoids getting credit for what basically may have been a missed shot or an unintended manner of pocketing the shot. Hence luck instead of skill.

ALL Best Wishes for ALL.

There is a good reason why you are "one of the very few" that play 8ball with these so-called "clean rules".

This clean bar pool discussion is so weird, I'm getting some pocketpoint 1-13 vibes, almost like deja vu

 

[ENGLISH!]

I guess some just do not understand.

Why then even call a pocket?

Just hit the crap out of the ball & if it falls into a pocket you do not lose your turn & you get to keep your opponent seated while you get to shoot again. Or why even call a ball? Every shot is a break shot just hit the ball & if ANY ball goes, you get to shoot again.

It takes more skill to pocket a ball with the pocket being partially blocked by another ball & having to call whether one intends for it to go in clean or by caroming off of the other ball.

I've played much call shot & much call pocket... & call shot is a much more skilled game.

I am NOT taking about calling a bank shot & it hits the rail going into the pocket. That is not a requirement as it would then come down to is it going to hit a facing or not.

That is a scam tried by lesser players that just can't stand getting beaten by a better player.

All Best Wishes for ALL.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Strawman.

A golfer calling a foul on themselves has nothing to do with luck.

We are, in fact, talking about luck here. Not integrity.

Like I said, I can not help it if you do not understand.

Honor does come into play when playing call shot because the opponent can not always tell if one makes the shot as intended & called. Sometimes only the shooter can tell that.

I am not saying that everyone in the South is honorable, but many are.

Call pocket is played in my area probably just as much & maybe more so given all of the league play, but if you live here one should be ready to play some call shot.

ALL Best Wishes For ALL.

PS Perhaps it is a New Orleans thing, as We & Chicago are the only two cities left that plays a bat & ball game called Indoor Ball... but we play it outside on concrete or asphalt.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I guess some just do not understand.

Why then even call a pocket?

Just hit the crap out of the ball & if it falls into a pocket you do not lose your turn & you get to keep your opponent seated while you get to shoot again. Or why even call a ball? Every shot is a break shot just hit the ball & if ANY ball goes, you shot again.

It takes more skill to pocket a ball with the pocket being partially blocked by another ball & having to call whether one intends for it to go in clean or by caroming off of the other ball.

I've played much call shot & much call pocket... & call shot is a much more skilled game.

I am NOT taking about calling a bank shot & it hits the rail going into the pocket. That is not a requirement as it would then come down to is it going to hit a facing or not.

That is a scam tried by lesser players that just can't stand getting beaten by a better player.

All Best Wishes for ALL.

It's like you're not even trying anymore. I'll pray for you tonight.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Like I said, I can not help it if you do not understand.

Honor does come into play when playing call shot because the opponent can not always tell if one makes the shot as intended & called. Sometimes only the shooter can tell that.

I am not saying that everyone in the South is honorable, but many are.

Call pocket is played in my area probably just as much & maybe more so given all of the league play, but if you live here one should be ready to play some call shot.

ALL Best Wishes For ALL.

PS Perhaps it is a New Orleans thing, as We & Chicago are the only two cities left that plays a bat & ball game called Indoor Ball... but we play it outside on concrete or asphalt.

Come to FL. We can play some call shot.

 

[pfduser]

Ring games sometimes.

I've played in many ring games and sometimes you have to "roll the money". Depends on how many people are playing in the ring game but sometimes it was the best option. Since your getting odds to do so. No viable shot, might as well roll the money ball or balls.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Come to FL. We can play some call shot.

Go to N.Y City & I will bet Earl or some others will play you some there too.

Even when playing call pocket I know when I miss a shot & it falls.

I don't want credit for that kind of a shot & have told players to go ahead & shoot because that's not how I intended it. Many will say, but that's the pocket you called & I will say. 'yeah but that's not how I shot it, go ahead & shoot.'.

Some will go ahead & shoot, while others will say, 'no you shoot, we can play call shot from here on out'.

Like I said, you play how ever you want, I'm not telling you or anyone else how to play...

Are you trying to tell me how to play?

ALL Best Wishes to ALL.

 

[Player]

Like I said, I can not help it if you do not understand.

Honor does come into play when playing call shot because the opponent can not always tell if one makes the shot as intended & called. Sometimes only the shooter can tell that.

I am not saying that everyone in the South is honorable, but many are.

Call pocket is played in my area probably just as much & maybe more so given all of the league play, but if you live here one should be ready to play some call shot.

ALL Best Wishes For ALL.

PS Perhaps it is a New Orleans thing, as We & Chicago are the only two cities left that plays a bat & ball game called Indoor Ball... but we play it outside on concrete or asphalt.

Call shot is what's played here in "Hillbilly" country. Anything lesser is considered for
beginners, women and children.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I was playing one pocket last week & I was banking a ball across corner from near the foot rail & it skimmed off a ball near the spot & then dribbled into the pocket.

I felt embarrassed & made the comment that perhaps we should play call your shot.

In a game of skill as much luck should be taken out as possible, IMO.

I think I would actually like call your shot one pocket. Those banked & kicked caroms & combos would be a bit different, I think.

All Best Wishes for All.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

My original post on the subject.

 

[BeiberLvr]

Go to N.Y City & I will bet Earl or some others will play you some there too.

Even when playing call pocket I know when I miss a shot & it falls.

I don't want credit for that kind of a shot & have told players to go ahead & shoot because that's not how I intended it. Many will say, but that's the pocket you called & I will say. 'yeah but that's not how I shot it, go ahead & shoot.'.

Some will go ahead & shoot, while others will say, 'no you shoot, we can play call shot from here on out'.

Like I said, you play how ever you want, I'm not telling you or anyone else how to play...

Are you trying to tell me how to play?

ALL Best Wishes to ALL.

How is that fair? Earl is way better than I am, and I'm only a little better than you.

I don't care how you play. I'm just telling you the facts of why not calling anything is vastly superior to call shot or call pocket. If you wish to be inferior, then that's your choice.