Tons'O'fun
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To Mark Tadd, thanks for the memories, Love Tons'O'fun
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Tons'O'fun said:Mark, I know you were once a pro, and I respect that immensely. I could never do what you did, but that doesn't make my advice, or anyone elses advice worthless......Worthless to you maybe.
Pro pool players make up about 0.01% of the entire pool community, and they spend about 20 minutes a year posting on forums like this.
I watch political debates and study both sides equally, with an open mind. I don't usually agree with one side only, more often I take bits from each candidate and piece together what I would like to hear.
Same goes for these forums. You can't be the "Advice Police", even Earl knows that. He posts here from time to time and never debates the mortals like you. He understands that it's all hot air. All of it.
when you give pool advice yes your opinions are inferior to mine .
thats like taking a math class and trying to tell the teacher that youve decided based on your opinion that 9x9=82. and see how far that goes. before you start saying, well pool isnt that dogmatic, yes it is to be a champion. your political analogy definitely is not a comparable example to pool advice. as for earl, did he tell you that he doesnt debate the mortals like me because he thinks its hot air? or is it that he doesnt want to wisen up the dummies (hint hint). so what does he come on here for then? to learn from you guys? whats the point of having a 'ask the pros forum' if your advice is as good as theirs. ok im going to email the administrator and tell him to put your name on 'ask the pros' since no ones advice is inferior to the others. i'll just refer all my questions in my messages box to you. are you ready?
why would i want to be on 'ask the pros' when i can just post here? second of all, i could care less i haven't proven myself to be on there. but we can ask the administrator who would be the better candidate for that forum, me or you.Tons'O'fun said:So Mark, why don't you email the administrator and ask him to put your name on the "Ask The Pros" section?. Is that what this is all about, you feel hurt and left out of the party?. Someone not acknowledging your sheer brilliance like they should?.
Earl doesn't debate here because he knows it's a total waste of time, unlike some people I know, (hint hint). He doesn't have to say it, we all know it.
I pester you because you are insanely zealous about being literal and absolute. When you were a kid starting out, who gave you advice?. Was it Willie Mosconi?. No, it was most likely the local pool bums at your favorite poolhall. Well, this is just a much bigger pool hall with many more patrons.
So along comes Mark Tadd, bow down to the overlord and forget all those who came before. I'm sorry if I won't drink from the fountain of Tadd.
You know for a guy who gets angry when someone judges him, you're pretty abnoxious with your assumptions about me!. You imply that I'm a dummy?.
There's an old adage I go by... "Without humility, knowledge is just arrogance". Thanks for giving a theory of mine vailidity, hey I guess the pros are good for something after all.
Frankie says relax, just do it.
what do you think he'd say?there you go again showing your ignorance by assuming thats what earl thinks.
does that mean i wouldn't have appreciated a pro pool players advice? if youre comparing this with the pool bums in the pool hall that i grew up in, then this is a bigger pool hall with more pool bums that i shouldnt listen to, right? is that what your saying? thats not very nice of you to call everyone on here pool bums.
too bad you wont drink from the fountain of tadd (hey, i like how that sounds). otherwise you 'might' become an A player 'one day in the far far distance'. actually, from now on you can call me lord Tadd.
as for dummy, let's take a test. someone needs pool advice, and on the left is a pro pool player giving advice, and on the right is a pool bum giving advice. does both of their advice have equal leverage? are both their answers 'equal' leading to the road of glory?
if your answer is the pro pool players advice is better, then hey don't sweat it! you're not a dummy. as for humility, i would hope to think that at some point you can read between the lines and see that some joking is being implied. yet at the same time, the solid advice i'm giving (since i've played pro) is to benefit "others" not myself. how is that not humility? and when people give advice thats going to hurt the amateurs pool game in the long run, then i feel its my duty to expose their wrong advice 'since' im here to HELP them. out of curiosity, do you think your advice can produce a pro pool player? if not, then bow down to lord Tadd and take notes...
(sorry, had to make light of your comments. lighten up!)do you think there are people on this forum that would like to go pro? do you care if they get accurate advice? so far ive read comments from people who 'appreciate' what ive shared. except for the forum militia who are trying to stop b players from being A players with their theories and guesses.
cheers ,my friend
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Tons'O'fun said:
According to my observations about 95-98% of the advice given on here is worthless. It is the 2-5% that has value that makes it worthwhile. So probably a lot of your advice is worthless to all or most people on here. The likelihood of getting good advice is probably directly proportional to the skill level of the poster. Therefore, the possibility of getting good advice from a Mark Tadd or a Keith McCready or any other pro is much higher than from someone who hasn't been in their arena. That being said it is quite possible for someone at the lower end to come up with a gem once in awhile. Also, what might be great advice for some could be worthless to most. It is also quite possible that a great players advice is useless to many.
I am sure most of us know that a lot of what we say is worthless (damn maybe this post is worthless).
Wayne
Wow, and you still think a pro players advice is just as good as a b player's advice, after all that training? maybe you need to change your listening techniques, and zero in on the pro pool players advice only, instead of being 'open minded'. maybe that's been the problem all along. heck, maybe that's even why you don't like me.Tons'O'fun said:
I have no qualms with this particular post, but i guess we could spend the majority of our time trying all the things that keep the b players b players OR we could be wise and invest our time in trying the things that pro players advise. After all, there is a reason they are "pro players". As for trying new things, not all "new" things are beneficial. For example, I've never played russian roulette. I wonder what I could learn from it though if I played it? Or maybe I'll play with no tip on my pool stick, and see if that makes my break better. That would be a "new" thing I could try.Tons'O'fun said:
Oh okay, that makes sense. That's like a teenage daughter telling her Mom, "I don't want to hear how to not get pregnant. I want to learn by trial and error, and if I have to suffer for my mistakes then so be it. Please Mom, allow me the courtesy of making my own mistakes!" But hey, on a lighter note, then all my advice that I've given is not for you. It's only for those who WANT to learn from a pro how they became a pro.Tons'O'fun said:
I don't know, go back to all the posts because you've been stalking me the whole time trying to convince me that your opinions are just as relevant as anyone else's. Actually, even Wayne commented on how useless they were, so somewhere along the line you DID imply that. But, to be humble, as far as typing goes, you might have an edge on me because I type slow and punctuation and capitalization only slows me down more.Tons'O'fun said:
Where did you get that interpretation from, that the Pros section is for people who feel like I do? So does that mean the main forum is the 'b forum'?Tons'O'fun said:
On these last two points, are you speaking for everyone on the forum? Or are you just giving your opinion again? And so then basically what you're saying is you don't want to be a pro, you're content with being a b or c player? You should've said that from the beginning, and I would've been easier on you.Tons'O'fun said:
Tons'O'fun said:So Mark, why don't you email the administrator and ask him to put your name on the "Ask The Pros" section?. Is that what this is all about, you feel hurt and left out of the party?. Someone not acknowledging your sheer brilliance like they should?.
Earl doesn't debate here because he knows it's a total waste of time, unlike some people I know, (hint hint). He doesn't have to say it, we all know it.
I pester you because you are insanely zealous about being literal and absolute. When you were a kid starting out, who gave you advice?. Was it Willie Mosconi?. No, it was most likely the local pool bums at your favorite poolhall. Well, this is just a much bigger pool hall with many more patrons.
So along comes Mark Tadd, bow down to the overlord and forget all those who came before. I'm sorry if I won't drink from the fountain of Tadd.
You know for a guy who gets angry when someone judges him, you're pretty abnoxious with your assumptions about me!. You imply that I'm a dummy?.
There's an old adage I go by... "Without humility, knowledge is just arrogance". Thanks for giving a theory of mine vailidity, hey I guess the pros are good for something after all.
Frankie says relax, just do it.
Your first post could have easily been PM'd to Mark, but you decided to make it a public spectacle, which makes it extremely obvious you want to piss him off and start something. You wanted him to respond with anger, so don't complain if he does.
IS THERE SOMETHING WEIRD GOING ON HERE?,,,,or hasn't anyone else caught it?
this isn't mark tadd posting!!!! not if you compare the diction on this thread with the diction on "mark tadd's" other posts! i would love to read what tadd has to say,,,but please,,,the real mark tadd.
this isn't mark tadd posting!!!! not if you compare the diction on this thread with the diction on "mark tadd's" other posts! i would love to read what tadd has to say,,,but please,,,the real mark tadd.
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Matt_24 said:
LOL. I'm not going to address the first sentence, but it's kind of comical (IMO). Sometimes these threads seem to turn into a contest of who's the best this, who's the best that, et cetera, and to me, it's like a muscle-flexing exercise.
I will just add to the fray and state my 2 cents. Just because a player is a so-called "pro" or someone who has played in pro-caliber tournaments or played well at one point in their life DOES NOT mean that they would be a good teacher. Teaching is a whole separate entity and requires a variety of skills, one being a good communicator, whether verbally or in writing.
A pro player may know how to draw his rock two table lengths and get position in an obscure corner of the table, but have him/her explain it in words to a layperson, they may not possess the necessary skills set.
Having said all of the above, there are some teachers who can tell you how to do it, but they can't compete at the level of some pros and never will be able to.
Pro players can do it, and teachers can tell you how to do it. Teachers can't always do it, and pro players can't always tell you how they do it.
Teaching is an art form, as is playing pool. Two separte entities. JMHO, FWIW!
JAM
JAM said:
jam,,,i have to agree in general. but i think what most pros have to offer is best done in real life, because they are attuned to subtleties of which even the best teachers are unaware. but as the saying goes, "when the student is ready, the teacher will come"
it is a joint effort between student and teacher, so the student must be at least cognizant enough to gleen useful bits of information. i can totally understand that mark(not the mark on this thread,,,the real mark) would be offended. it is somewhat of a slap in the face
bruin70 said:
As the old buzzard near the end of The Jungle Book says "now don't start that again"
I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am going to ignore any Mark Tadd post. After reading them all from before and now, he is not providing any advice on pool (which I desperately need), rather he is criticising the forum in general and some participants in particular (which I don't need to read, I can easily make up my own mind, thank you very little). I am very interested in what a pro pool player has to say about pool. If that same person starts talking about ANY OTHER SUBJECT, then they are not speaking from their recognized expertise, which makes them an amateur on that subject. I believe that Mark Tadd is a amateur with respect to forum participation, and a pro when it comes to pool. If he/she/it/thebobot starts posting real pool content will someone please let me know so I can tune whatever in again ?
Thanks,
Dave
Just because you are a better pool player doesn't mean you are a more knowlegeble player. I've destroyed Boston Shorty a couple of times in tournaments, but I will probably never have the knowlege he had and I plan on playing forever.
I know some young kids who can play world class nine ball and they don't know shiitt about pool.
I know some young kids who can play world class nine ball and they don't know shiitt about pool.
Is it Mark Tadd?
This seems to come up every time he posts.I think its him.Whats the difference,he has opinions just like everyone else here.You take them for what they are worth.Thats up to you.I take every post in these forums like a grain of salt.You either agree or disagree,thats up to you.
This seems to come up every time he posts.I think its him.Whats the difference,he has opinions just like everyone else here.You take them for what they are worth.Thats up to you.I take every post in these forums like a grain of salt.You either agree or disagree,thats up to you.
JAM said:
There is validity to what you say, however, for me the ideal scene for a teacher would be a pro player who could teach well, next would be a pro player with some skills as a teacher. I would much prefer either of these over a great teacher who is a mediocre poolplayer. However, for others a great teacher who is a mediocre player might be their ideal scene (especially if they don't charge much).
Wayne
