To Thomas Wayne

I thought that is what Is pictured here? I have used them before back in the old days when I would use My dad and grandfathers tools, because no one had to worry about me being too young for power tools or unsupervised when using them. Good old manual labor;) Fun to use with a dull auger bit that has seen It's better days..:p

Yes THAT IS a bit and brace.
 
Yes THAT IS a bit and brace.

I think I may still have 1 or 2 of them around somewhere. I have a bunch of old stuff still stored in the attic. I need to go through and see what all is there. I peaked My head in there the other day and saw all kinds of goodies that I could probably use now. At first glance hanging from nails I saw Blowers, and a bunch motor pulleys, hardware in jars, etc., but who knows what I may find once I start digging through It. Probably stuff I don't want to find like spiders, and varmints LOL
 
Has anyone besides me used a bit and brace???

I am betting most don't even know what that is....lol..
Sorry, Not a cue maker but am a tool guru. Too old to start acquiring wood. My bit braces are 99.9% used for working on my 100 year old Carom Table. The comment reminded me of how I got my first brace. I did already know what they were. I couldn't afford a new one and happened to mention to someone I was in need. He told me to go across the highway make a left and up the hill to the end. "He'll probably have one." I find this house with an out building, knock on the door and this 90 year old tool collector invites me in. If there was one bit brace there were 300 along with thousands of other wood working tools. EVERYWHERE! Tools behind glass Tools laying on the floor in drawers, walls, ceiling..... I thought I'd passed through the Pearly Gates. Will never forget what this man had. He found one and charged me $5.00. He had some worth hundreds maybe more.

By the way, if you want one of these for some strange reason, DO NOT BUY A NEW ONE. THEY ARE ALL JUNK. "Old" Stanley (pre 1970) and any Millers Falls will suit you fine.
 
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"NO CNC NOW OR EVER!"

Very astute. You are happy making inlays with a small, lightweight pantomill but you can't bend your morals enough to allow you to use a CNC which not only will use the same cutters as a hand operated pantomill but has the ability to use much, much smaller ones also, can be more accurate and usually is and in the long run. if many templates are desired the CNC will be a much cheaper piece of equipment.

This is just my opinion but it upsets me when someone draws a line in the sand that they won't cross but have absolutely no legitimate reason for such stand other than advertising to other unknowledgeable consumers.

In the late 60's and early 70's, the exact same same arguments were used by the older cue builders who used knives, chisels and black glue for inlays against the newer cue makers who were cheating and building inferior cues because they were using pantomills, which by the way, if they have good templates and styluses, made the inlays much more precise, better looking and of coarse much more intricate.

The CNC is just the next step in the evolution of the craft. It can give you access to literally millions of inlays at no cost. It is much more precise, much quicker as it cuts at the optimum speed for the cutter being used and while it is doing it's thing the operator can be doing something else and it's much more affordable as you don't need to be buying hundreds of templates to keep your inlays unique and up to date. Try using .005 end mills at 25-30.00 a pop in your pantomill and see how you like it after breaking 20 or so before cutting an inch.

Sorry for going so far off subject but that statement is probably my greatest pet-peeve, among many.

Dick

I enjoy being unknowledgeable. Give me tradition over rounded inlays anyday.

I have no issue with cnc if eveything is sharpened. Problem is most guys don't sharpen inlays after cut by the cnc and that makes them lazy, not evolutionary.

I can't imagine that calling cue buyers unknowledgeable can be good for business.
 
I enjoy being unknowledgeable. Give me tradition over rounded inlays anyday.

I have no issue with cnc if eveything is sharpened. Problem is most guys don't sharpen inlays after cut by the cnc and that makes them lazy, not evolutionary.

I can't imagine that calling cue buyers unknowledgeable can be good for business.

I really don't understand the need for nor the purpose of this post. Yes, it is very apparent that you enjoy being ignorant. Try reading a post sometime before commenting on it's content. Not one thing was mentioned in that post about sharp inlays other than that fact that knives, chisels and black glue was how old time builders did their inlays, before, pantomills became popular. The post was about moving forward from the work capabilities between a pantomill and CNC. The fact is, smaller end mills can successfully used in a good CNC than can be used successfully in a pantomill creating smaller radius's. Sharp points have absolutely nothing to do with which machine created the pockets, they are created with the follow up work but I'm sure you were aware of this so this is why I can't understand the reason for your post other than maybe you just like to see your name in lights. Have you any estimates of how many more balls your sharper inlays have made in the last 10 years?

I, once again don't recall saying that CNC cut pockets will make sharper inlays thus making it a revolutionary tool. I did however say that it is the next step over the pantomill as it is faster, cheaper, much easier to use and in fact, can make sharper inlays and that my friend does make it evolutionary over the pantomill and that is the context that it was presented in.

You say that makes them lazy. I don't see that what so ever. What I see is a builder who is trying to build a nice looking cue at a very affordable price as there aren't all of the extra hours put in the cue, for the 95% of the pool players out there looking for a cue that they can be proud of and still doesn't take the food out of their children's mouths. There are some cue builders available for this small class of people, who's EGO's demand, and can afford such attention. I'm not one of these builders and have never desired to be one. I'm very happy in the nick of my world that I happen to be in.

As far as calling cue buyers un-knowledgeable being bad for business, you are certainly right but so be it. That's my attitude. I've found that many, if not most of the participants on these forums are just that. Instead of out playing pool and learning something they are on the forums just spreading information that they heard on the internet so it must be true and believe that it was sent down with the 10 commandments. Fact is I don't want them for customers. Since being on these forums I have built 2 cues for members out of dozens that I have been asked to build. In the past 13 months I have turned down over 75 requests to build a cue. I build completely custom cues to the purchaser's requests and it used be that it only takes a couple of minutes to decide that this wasn't somebody that I was wanting to deal with. After awhile I just wouldn't consider anyone. I seldom do any repairs either. Not because I can't but I don't feel that it is the economical way for a customer to get his equipment repaired at a economical and timely fashion. Most mechanics can do most repairs so I can't see paying postage and insurance for both directions plus the chance of being lost or damaged in transit. I'm sure I missed out on building cues for some very nice and knowledgeable people with this attitude but in the long run I have been happy with my policy as I stay very busy at my shop and most of my customers are happy with what I build them.

Dick
 
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I really don't understand the need for nor the purpose of this post. Yes, it is very apparent that you enjoy being ignorant. Try reading a post sometime before commenting on it's content. Not one thing was mentioned in that post about sharp inlays other than that fact that knives, chisels and black glue was how old time builders did their inlays, before, pantomills became popular. The post was about moving forward from the work capabilities between a pantomill and CNC. The fact is, smaller end mills can successfully used in a good CNC than can be used successfully in a pantomill creating smaller radius's. Sharp points have absolutely nothing to do with which machine created the pockets, they are created with the follow up work but I'm sure you were aware of this so this is why I can't understand the reason for your post other than maybe you just like to see your name in lights. Have you any estimates of how many more balls your sharper inlays have made in the last 10 years?

I, once again don't recall saying that CNC cut pockets will make sharper inlays thus making it a revolutionary tool. I did however say that it is the next step over the pantomill as it is faster, cheaper, much easier to use and in fact, can make sharper inlays and that my friend does make it evolutionary over the pantomill and that is the context that it was presented in.

You say that makes them lazy. I don't see that what so ever. What I see is a builder who is trying to build a nice looking cue at a very affordable price as there aren't all of the extra hours put in the cue, for the 95% of the pool players out there looking for a cue that they can be proud of and still doesn't take the food out of their children's mouths. There are some cue builders available for this small class of people, who's EGO's demand, and can afford such attention. I'm not one of these builders and have never desired to be one. I'm very happy in the nick of my world that I happen to be in.

As far as calling cue buyers un-knowledgeable being bad for business, you are certainly right but so be it. That's my attitude. I've found that many, if not most of the participants on these forums are just that. Instead of out playing pool and learning something they are on the forums just spreading information that they heard on the internet so it must be true and believe that it was sent down with the 10 commandments. Fact is I don't want them for customers. Since being on these forums I have built 2 cues for members out of dozens that I have been asked to build. In the past 13 months I have turned down over 75 requests to build a cue. I build completely custom cues to the purchaser's requests and it used be that it only takes a couple of minutes to decide that this wasn't somebody that I was wanting to deal with. After awhile I just wouldn't consider anyone. I seldom do any repairs either. Not because I can't but I don't feel that it is the economical way for a customer to get his equipment repaired at a economical and timely fashion. Most mechanics can do most repairs so I can't see paying postage and insurance for both directions plus the chance of being lost or damaged in transit. I'm sure I missed out on building cues for some very nice and knowledgeable people with this attitude but in the long run I have been happy with my policy as I stay very busy at my shop and most of my customers are happy with what I build them.

Dick

You seem to be the one with the EGO. It's your way or no way. I read your post, and disagree with the cnc being "the next step". I guess no one is allowed to have an opinion that is different than yours.

I'm glad for you that building the stuff you do, keeps you busy and happy, but to call guys "unknowledgable" because they prefer a cue built in a traditional manner is ignorant.

Faster, cheaper, and easier isn't always what people want. I'll agree that many do, but not everyone.

I don't need my name in lights, but it seems you have some anger towards people that feel a cue should be built in the traditional manner.

Marcus
 
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