CJ Are instructors asking to become certified to teach TOI?
TOI Certification
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When I was giving lessons I was certified to teach draw and follow. although i knew how to power draw and force follow I was not allowed to teach it until i became certified.
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If I come to the PBIA booth and request information on how to use TOI: Will someone be there who is qualified to teach it? CJ has an excellent video but has stated that a personal lesson would speed up the process and clarify personal technique situations.
Since you have watched the video and have had personal experience with CJ, do you feel qualified to teach TOI? Do you think pool instructors should have some certification?
As an example: If I would take lessons from a PBIA instructor, should I reasonably expect to have 3 rail position information professionally presented?
Got it!
Not all PBIA Instructors are at the same level. Hopefully they are working to get up the scale.
If you came to the PBIA Instructors booth and asked for randyg then: randyg could teach you a dozen aiming systems including CTE and TOI. 1-2-3 rail kick systems etc.
I am "certified" as a Instructor to teach. I do not need to get "certified" to teach what I know, I just have to be Open Minded.
randyg
TOI is an overall playing system, somewhat like conventional playing systems
It literally took me thousands of hours to get to the level I'm at now with the Touch of Inside System. I respect Randy as a pocket billiard teacher, however, I disagree with him calling TOI an "aiming system", although at the beginning levels it may appear so just because you start pocketing balls so much better. As you start to increase understanding it will become quite obvious that TOI is much different in many ways than a "normal" (conventional) system of play. I'll be more specific so there's no confusion.
I worked with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods golf coach for 5 years) for 2 years to learn his technique for the golf swing. It took me 18 months before I clicked and I started playing advanced golf. Pool is much easier physically, however, it will still take 3 months for anyone to grasp the subtleties of the TOI Technique.
I've had a lot of question lately if TOI is considered an "aiming system" or a "playing system".....I would like to clarify this, it's important from my experience to be perfectly clear.
TOI is an overall playing system, somewhat like conventional playing systems you've been exposed to with these exceptions:
1) Conventional Systems will suggest you look at the table and conform your speed, spin to accommodate the upcoming shot.
The TOI System will suggest you use the same speed and cue ball target for the upcoming shot.
2) Conventional playing systems will suggest you hit both sides of the cue ball to make the upcoming shot easier to pocket.
The TOI System will suggest you hit ONLY the inside of the cue ball so you get a predictable shot pattern and this is what makes the upcoming shot easier.
3) Conventional Systems will suggest you play position to get the easiest next shot with the "proper" angle.
The TOI System suggests that you play consistent angles using the TOI Technique so every shot blends the same speed, spin, and cue ball target.
4) Conventional Systems will suggest you "aim" at the object ball with "ghost ball," "contact points", or sectional (quarter/half/full) points on the object ball.
The TOI System will show you how to make the cue ball the PRIMARY target and align the same way every time to the object ball and create any angle using your tip and ONLY adjust your tip to the cue ball.....the object ball is just a reflection of how you contact the cue ball and the final target is the pocket - it's essential to watch the object ball go in the pocket so you can adjust your TOI for the next shot if necessary.
I can teach this system in 12-15 hours if someone is willing to put the "conventional learning" they've picked up over the years on the shelf and commit to this new experience of creating angles and amplifying the Touch and Feel necessary to play at their highest level of performance.
For me the "Touch" of inside system makes the game of pool much more enjoyable because I don't need to consciously think near as much. Like a musician playing an instrument or an artist painting a picture I can express myself through the Game. Instead of my trying to "control" the Game, I allow the Game to perform through me. I can do this by following the guidelines listed above and blending all the calculations into one way of playing, instead of separating the Game by numerous choices.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
It literally took me thousands of hours to get to the level I'm at now with the Touch of Inside System. I respect Randy as a pocket billiard teacher, however, I disagree with him calling TOI an "aiming system", although at the beginning levels it may appear so just because you start pocketing balls so much better. As you start to increase understanding it will become quite obvious that TOI is much different in many ways than a "normal" (conventional) system of play. I'll be more specific so there's no confusion.
I worked with Hank Haney (Tiger Woods golf coach for 5 years) for 2 years to learn his technique for the golf swing. It took me 18 months before I clicked and I started playing advanced golf. Pool is much easier physically, however, it will still take 3 months for anyone to grasp the subtleties of the TOI Technique.
I've had a lot of question lately if TOI is considered an "aiming system" or a "playing system".....I would like to clarify this, it's important from my experience to be perfectly clear.
TOI is an overall playing system, somewhat like conventional playing systems you've been exposed to with these exceptions:
1) Conventional Systems will suggest you look at the table and conform your speed, spin to accommodate the upcoming shot.
The TOI System will suggest you use the same speed and cue ball target for the upcoming shot.
2) Conventional playing systems will suggest you hit both sides of the cue ball to make the upcoming shot easier to pocket.
The TOI System will suggest you hit ONLY the inside of the cue ball so you get a predictable shot pattern and this is what makes the upcoming shot easier.
3) Conventional Systems will suggest you play position to get the easiest next shot with the "proper" angle.
The TOI System suggests that you play consistent angles using the TOI Technique so every shot blends the same speed, spin, and cue ball target.
4) Conventional Systems will suggest you "aim" at the object ball with "ghost ball," "contact points", or sectional (quarter/half/full) points on the object ball.
The TOI System will show you how to make the cue ball the PRIMARY target and align the same way every time to the object ball and create any angle using your tip and ONLY adjust your tip to the cue ball.....the object ball is just a reflection of how you contact the cue ball and the final target is the pocket - it's essential to watch the object ball go in the pocket so you can adjust your TOI for the next shot if necessary.
I can teach this system in 12-15 hours if someone is willing to put the "conventional learning" they've picked up over the years on the shelf and commit to this new experience of creating angles and amplifying the Touch and Feel necessary to play at their highest level of performance.
For me the "Touch" of inside system makes the game of pool much more enjoyable because I don't need to consciously think near as much. Like a musician playing an instrument or an artist painting a picture I can express myself through the Game. Instead of my trying to "control" the Game, I allow the Game to perform through me. I can do this by following the guidelines listed above and blending all the calculations into one way of playing, instead of separating the Game by numerous choices.
'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
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CJ
I'm enjoying your DVDs - a great deal to take in for a beginner - especially TOI - but I'll get there... Curious about your golf game - I've been on a 4 year project to become a quality amateur player - started around a 12 and down to 4 last season - 45 hours of lessons, lots of range and course time and tournaments, drifted up to a 6 at the end of the season but worked all winter and expecting to Break through for good things this year. What is your handicap? Tried to find you on ghin.com in Texas but didn't locate you. I am a bookseller by profession and attack hobbies first in books, then forums, then with lessons etc (haven't located an instructor yet and wish I lived near you..) I am by nature a planner and I love the mental side of sports - have you read Zen Golf? Best book ive read on the game! One day hope to find myself in Dallas for a proper lesson. Back to your DVDs....
Best
John
Best
John
CJ
I'm enjoying your DVDs - a great deal to take in for a beginner - especially TOI - but I'll get there... Curious about your golf game - I've been on a 4 year project to become a quality amateur player - started around a 12 and down to 4 last season - 45 hours of lessons, lots of range and course time and tournaments, drifted up to a 6 at the end of the season but worked all winter and expecting to Break through for good things this year. What is your handicap? Tried to find you on ghin.com in Texas but didn't locate you. I am a bookseller by profession and attack hobbies first in books, then forums, then with lessons etc (haven't located an instructor yet and wish I lived near you..) I am by nature a planner and I love the mental side of sports - have you read Zen Golf? Best book ive read on the game! One day hope to find myself in Dallas for a proper lesson. Back to your DVDs....
Best
John
Best
John
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Here's a couple of these book covers, it sounds like you're interested.
I've never had an official handicap, although I've been a member of two country clubs, just never recorded my scores. When I play I play a LOT, and that hasn't been since I trained intensively with Hank Haney.
He is an awesome instructor and I learned a lot about the golf swing, and how the hands/wrists/fingers work in the swing. This is how I discovered the inner stoking techniques I teach in pool. The hands/forearms work more like a "lever," however, I digress...this takes a while to explain properly.
I have read Zen Golf, as well as Inner Tennis, and Inner Golf....my all time favorite is 'Zen in the Art of Archery'
which inspired the "inner books" by Tim Gallwey. These books also led to my degree in NLP and Hypnosis study under Dr. Richard Bandler (Erickson Hypnosis).....the "mental side" of pool is my favorite subject and what I've put the most research into....not too many players seem as interested in this subject these days, it's unfortunate, there's nothing like getting in "The Zone" to reach the ultimate heights in performance.
Here's a couple of these book covers, it sounds like you're interested.
Aloha, and Play well....CJ
I've never had an official handicap, although I've been a member of two country clubs, just never recorded my scores. When I play I play a LOT, and that hasn't been since I trained intensively with Hank Haney.
He is an awesome instructor and I learned a lot about the golf swing, and how the hands/wrists/fingers work in the swing. This is how I discovered the inner stoking techniques I teach in pool. The hands/forearms work more like a "lever," however, I digress...this takes a while to explain properly.
I have read Zen Golf, as well as Inner Tennis, and Inner Golf....my all time favorite is 'Zen in the Art of Archery'
Here's a couple of these book covers, it sounds like you're interested.
Aloha, and Play well....CJ
CJ,
I've read and enjoyed all of Gallways books, I was a Division III All American in tennis - and his book helped me a great deal get out of my own way in the juniors - however I have never read the Zen in the Art of Archery and I just checked my store and I have a copy - that will be tonight's adventure - I will also order the Bandler book too.
Regards,
John
I've read and enjoyed all of Gallways books, I was a Division III All American in tennis - and his book helped me a great deal get out of my own way in the juniors - however I have never read the Zen in the Art of Archery and I just checked my store and I have a copy - that will be tonight's adventure - I will also order the Bandler book too.
Regards,
John
Life, it's about "building bridges"
These are all outstanding books that apply to pool and many other disciplines....let me know what you think and I'll make some other recommendations if you like these. I find anything that enhances my pool game is also beneficial in other aspects of my Life, it's about "building bridges"..... Play Well.... 'The Game is the Teacher'
These are all outstanding books that apply to pool and many other disciplines....let me know what you think and I'll make some other recommendations if you like these. I find anything that enhances my pool game is also beneficial in other aspects of my Life, it's about "building bridges"..... Play Well.... 'The Game is the Teacher'
how to improve your "parallel shift" that's essential to master the TOI System.
I've gained a new level of experience teaching the TOI Technique in the last three weeks and have refined the course to 15 total hours. The players I've been communicating with (in writing) have caught on to the technique in three weeks and most had to watch the TOI DVD 5 times. This seems to be the consensus. The TOI System does take practice, and it's well worth it in the results you can expect. I'll have some of my current students comment more on this asap. We are now filming our personal instruction.
If anyone's having trouble with the TOI it's probably due to an unconscious "pivot" when moving to the inside of the ball. I see this coming up on a regular basis and can fix it in person, or give you suggestions on how to improve your "parallel shift" that's essential to master the TOI System.
There may be exceptions that require 12 hours, however, that would be the an exceptional player that is already of professional status. imho
We're putting together a clinic in several major cities this summer if anyone's interested in us coming to your town or city to do a three day TOI seminar/clinic for 6-10 players.
email me with questions or comments to thegameistheteacher@gmail.com as always I'm glad to answer any pool related question within 24 hours.
I've gained a new level of experience teaching the TOI Technique in the last three weeks and have refined the course to 15 total hours. The players I've been communicating with (in writing) have caught on to the technique in three weeks and most had to watch the TOI DVD 5 times. This seems to be the consensus. The TOI System does take practice, and it's well worth it in the results you can expect. I'll have some of my current students comment more on this asap. We are now filming our personal instruction.
If anyone's having trouble with the TOI it's probably due to an unconscious "pivot" when moving to the inside of the ball. I see this coming up on a regular basis and can fix it in person, or give you suggestions on how to improve your "parallel shift" that's essential to master the TOI System.
There may be exceptions that require 12 hours, however, that would be the an exceptional player that is already of professional status. imho
We're putting together a clinic in several major cities this summer if anyone's interested in us coming to your town or city to do a three day TOI seminar/clinic for 6-10 players.
email me with questions or comments to thegameistheteacher@gmail.com as always I'm glad to answer any pool related question within 24 hours.
Cj, I am not a hater and I enjoy your stories and most of the helpful info you post on this site. I will be banned very shortly because apparently all I did was cause shit on here lol 
Again, I am not a hater or a troll and below is a post I made about your TOI in the past trying to help people understand what your trying to teach.
I do not know if you are hurting for money or it is an "EGO" thing with you, but it is 100% one or the other or both. You are killing this aiming section lol!! In addition, I see it starting to happen in the main forum now. I am guessing you're working on something in partnership with Az billiards and that is why they are allowing this to happen?
Also can you please stop making totally ridiculous posts like the one below or I will come on here and call you on it, BE REAL!!
TheChamp
PS; English,onepocket John there is no need for you to respond to this ok :smile: and yes poolsharkallen this is the champ so you or sflinien can report me as usual now :thumbup: Sorry Joe I had to do it :grin:
Again, I am not a hater or a troll and below is a post I made about your TOI in the past trying to help people understand what your trying to teach.
I do not know if you are hurting for money or it is an "EGO" thing with you, but it is 100% one or the other or both. You are killing this aiming section lol!! In addition, I see it starting to happen in the main forum now. I am guessing you're working on something in partnership with Az billiards and that is why they are allowing this to happen?
Also can you please stop making totally ridiculous posts like the one below or I will come on here and call you on it, BE REAL!!
TheChampPS; English,onepocket John there is no need for you to respond to this ok :smile: and yes poolsharkallen this is the champ so you or sflinien can report me as usual now :thumbup: Sorry Joe I had to do it :grin: