TOI with LD or normal shaft

krychekrowe

krychekrowe

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I just got a Judd JT-1 with an original shaft. I play with a Mezz cue with the wd700 shaft.
When playing TOI with the Judd I felt I got more out of the TOI style.
Anyone have any input on this?
 
I will always suggest experimenting with your shot speed to really "tune in" the TOI

krychekrowe said:
I just got a Judd JT-1 with an original shaft. I play with a Mezz cue with the wd700 shaft.
When playing TOI with the Judd I felt I got more out of the TOI style.
Anyone have any input on this?
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Those shafts are very accurate and TOI is certainly effects accuracy. The name of the game is hitting the cue ball precisely no matter what style you choose. The TOI teaches how to create "zones" and natural angles due to the "No Spin" approach produced by the slight Inside target on the cue ball.

I will always suggest experimenting with your shot speed to really "tune in" the TOI with any shaft. Shafts, like anything else are difficult to absolutely duplicate and will tend to differ. Sounds like you're doing a good job of this and getting positive results. Using and being aware of how TOI works will, in effect produce a better feel for the pocket, and therefore a better feel for your particular shaft.

Just my thoughts on your experience, play well. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
I shoot with a Predator Z2 (low deflection) shaft and as I posted in another thread....

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I know that the center of the CB aimed at the edge of the OB yields a geometric cut angle of 30 degrees.


If one shoots the CTE aim line with center CB, the cut angle is a bit less than 30 degrees because of CIT. To compensate for this - to achieve the 30 degree cut angle, one can use a bit of outside, high top or draw.

I now realize that I can now use TOI while aiming at the CTE line and the deflection will send the CB a bit outside of the CTE line and give me that 30 degree cut angle.

I can now aim at the part of the pocket closest to the OB with TOI and send the OB to the center of the pocket because of the slight deflection.

Thanks.
 
LAMas said:
I shoot with a Predator Z2 (low deflection) shaft and as I posted in another thread....

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I know that the center of the CB aimed at the edge of the OB yields a geometric cut angle of 30 degrees.


If one shoots the CTE aim line with center CB, the cut angle is a bit less than 30 degrees because of CIT. To compensate for this - to achieve the 30 degree cut angle, one can use a bit of outside, high top or draw.

I now realize that I can now use TOI while aiming at the CTE line and the deflection will send the CB a bit outside of the CTE line and give me that 30 degree cut angle.

I can now aim at the part of the pocket closest to the OB with TOI and send the OB to the center of the pocket because of the slight deflection.

Thanks.
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This is what I've been doing and the results are just what I've been looking for.:)
 
After using the TOI for 3 hours straight you will experience the TOI Pocket Zone.

Drawback said:
This is what I've been doing and the results are just what I've been looking for.:)
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I'm glad to hear you're getting the results you are looking for. For anyone new to TOI, this is what happens when you start to incorporate this way of playing and pocketing balls:

Since ball pocketing is more about "feel" than anything visual the calibration to the CENTER POCKET is what creates the margin of error of the 3 Part Pocket System.

If you calibrate your shots to hit the center using the TOI Technique, this means you are unconsciously aligning to the part of the pocket closest to the object ball. This means if you are off on your TOI you will hit the first part of the pocket, if you hit it perfectly you hit the center and if you use too much TOI you will hit the outside of the pocket.

The positive "side effect" of using the TOI is "if you don't make the shot," you will know exactly why. If you undercut the shot, use more TOI and if you over-cut the shot use less TOI. Your speed may also be a factor, so if you undercut the shot, use more TOI Speed, and if you over-cut the shot, use less TOI Speed. I rarely see a student use too much speed, so if you're going to "error," do it by hitting the ball with more shot speed.

The trouble with trying to hit center{cue ball}and hit the center{pocket} is you don't have the "feel" of the 3 Part Pocket System, and if you miss you won't have the feedback of "why" the ball wasn't made.

After using the TOI for 3 hours straight you will experience the TOI "Pocket Zone". After a few days it will start to become second nature. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
 
I am still having trouble with TOI, i try hitting it full ball or half ball with a touch of TOI but i seems like i dont get that much deflection with my z2 shaft even when i got a full tip over.
 
I like to use under a 12.5 on 9' tables to get the right effect.

ln817 said:
I am still having trouble with TOI, i try hitting it full ball or half ball with a touch of TOI but i seems like i dont get that much deflection with my z2 shaft even when i got a full tip over.
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Make sure you move you cue over parallel and don't let your tip pivot at all.

Here's a test, just move your cue over TOI and then pivot your tip back to center and hit it....this should tell you if you're in the right TOI position. I just use this as a "double check" and don't advise doing this when you're playing unless you need some "helping English".

Sometimes your issue can also be from the cue tip being to big (mm wise)....I like to use under a 12.5 on 9' tables to get the right effect. This is a personal option, just giving some choices on how to improve this challenge with TOI.
 
CJ Wiley said:
I'm glad to hear you're getting the results you are looking for. For anyone new to TOI, this is what happens when you start to incorporate this way of playing and pocketing balls:

Since ball pocketing is more about "feel" than anything visual the calibration to the CENTER POCKET is what creates the margin of error of the 3 Part Pocket System.

If you calibrate your shots to hit the center using the TOI Technique, this means you are unconsciously aligning to the part of the pocket closest to the object ball. This means if you are off on your TOI you will hit the first part of the pocket, if you hit it perfectly you hit the center and if you use too much TOI you will hit the outside of the pocket.

The positive "side effect" of using the TOI is "if you don't make the shot," you will know exactly why. If you undercut the shot, use more TOI and if you over-cut the shot use less TOI. Your speed may also be a factor, so if you undercut the shot, use more TOI Speed, and if you over-cut the shot, use less TOI Speed. I rarely see a student use too much speed, so if you're going to "error," do it by hitting the ball with more shot speed.

The trouble with trying to hit center{cue ball}and hit the center{pocket} is you don't have the "feel" of the 3 Part Pocket System, and if you miss you won't have the feedback of "why" the ball wasn't made.

After using the TOI for 3 hours straight you will experience the TOI "Pocket Zone". After a few days it will start to become second nature. 'The Game is the Teacher' www.cjwiley.com
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I am very honored to have you address me personally on this Forum. I can not thank you enough for putting so much of your time and years of experience right here on this public forum for me to read, study, adapt and employ.

Although I have no pressing urges to become a better competitor, I am so rewarded by just the increase in personal talent and satisfaction I have gained by reading carefully and listening intently to your advice here on AZB.

I like to think that I play the "table" layout rather than another person and your help here has made me a much better player. Thanks again, C.J.:)
 
Mike Sigel uses a touch of outside. It kind of works the same way .but reversed? If you over cut, you hit it too easy. If you under cut, you hit it too hard. :)
 
At the end of the day it's all about how much enjoyment you get from playing poo

Drawback said:
I am very honored to have you address me personally on this Forum. I can not thank you enough for putting so much of your time and years of experience right here on this public forum for me to read, study, adapt and employ.

Although I have no pressing urges to become a better competitor, I am so rewarded by just the increase in personal talent and satisfaction I have gained by reading carefully and listening intently to your advice here on AZB.

I like to think that I play the "table" layout rather than another person and your help here has made me a much better player. Thanks again, C.J.:)
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You're on the right path, when I"m truly "connected" to my game I feel like it's playing "through" me, not the other way around. The table, cue, cue ball, object balls, and pocket all seem to align and show physical expression.

At the end of the day it's about how much enjoyment and satisfaction the player gets from playing pool. Winning money and titles is fine and dandy, but that feeling quickly goes away and you must do it again to get the same "feeling".

I came to this conclusion after seeing the situation that had developed the last 13 years in the game. The main thing that's missing from pool isn't money, or TV Time, or "colorful characters".....what's missing is just pure fun and entertainment - when we raise that "entertainment/enjoyment" level, I believe everything else will align, reform and evolve to the Game that's much more desirable. At least that's what the "Game" tells me. ;) 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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