Tom Simpson's new Stroke Groover product

[Tom Simpson]

Please check out my new stroke training product, the Stroke Groover™.

It’s extremely simple to set up and use. No pool table necessary! All you need is an extra pool cue. The Groover trains the stroke arm to fold at the elbow and not drop the upper arm. As you know if you've worked on it, this simple move is quite difficult to "train in." Using the Groover, players can clearly feel exactly when and where and how in their stroke they are pulling down. It also helps players feel the groove of their swing and experience the simple joy of the fluid motion.

A product setup & use video is available at www.StrokeGroover.com, as is a printable instruction page.

I’ve been testing it in my classes for a year. I usually have players stroke for a couple of minutes without a cueball in front of the stick. Once they are stroking smoothly, we also have them hit balls while using the Groover. Players seem to get the idea very very quickly now. Of course, it’s a good idea to do a couple of minutes of swinging with the Groover on a regular basis until the swing becomes stable.

I believe this will really help instructors, and I’m offering pricing that accommodates instructors who want to supply Groovers for class use and/or want to sell them to their own students.

This thing works!

 

[JE54]

Good luck with your stroke groover.

 

[stan shuffett]

Tom,

Your product appears to address the upper arm issue in an excellent way!

I have been looking for a way to address the upper arm for a long time.

I will get an order for 3 in later today.

Stan

 

[DennyS]

Hi Tom, like Stan I'm also interested in it. Will be getting a hold of you soon.
Thanks
Denny

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I bought this thing at the Expo and haven't stopped using it. I feel as though this device brings a lot to the table. To me, it's really helping me stroke straight.

Forget pendulum / non-pendulum elbow droppers for a minute. I think we all agree that a great pendulum player and a great elbow dropper probably look the same prior to contact (or very close). What this does is forces you into a perfect position prior to contact.

Honestly, it felt alien to me because my arm was probably all over the place before using this. I highly recommend this thing.

Dave

 

[GaryB]

Sure makes sense to me. Years ago I thought about such a device but my mind could'nt take it to the extra cue part. Great idea! I will be ordering for sure.

 

[JimS]

Cool tool!

 

[Bambu]

Sure makes sense to me. Years ago I thought about such a device but my mind could'nt take it to the extra cue part. Great idea! I will be ordering for sure.

Me too, I actually had a prototype. Mine was ugly as sin though, and not half as crafty. Toms idea looks great, and no pulleys that attach to a wall!

 

[randyg]

Using this in combination with a cola bottle would result in the ultimate stroke!

I don't think this would work properly with a coke bottle. The bottle drill promotes an elbow movement....SPF=randyg

 

[justadub]

I think I know what my kids are gonna get me for Fathers Day....

 

[Craig Fales]

I was thinking the Stroke Groover would only support elbow movement (pendulum motion only), and that what it does restrict is elbow dropping from shoulder movement?

The stroke groover prevents any elbow movement, meaning when you are moving the cue past the straight up and down forearm position the cue tip starts dropping. This is why I promote moving the cue in a dead straight line. By that I mean with some elbow drop on the follow through and on the back stroke.

 

[Craig Fales]

I can't visualize this with the given pictures on that website. Perhaps we can get a video up of how this works? I mean if it prevents ANY elbow movement, how the heck are you gonna stroke?

I meant as in any up and down movement, but still be able to pivot at the elbow.

 

[nksmfamjp]

This type of stroke when done rigidly, promotes up down tip movement.....how do you teach players to hit an exact spot on the vertical plane with this methodology?

Still, like many, this looks like a good stroke trainer.

I think stroke training is a phase thing...one o this first phases for me was to get 90+% of my stroke from my bicep. A later phase, IMHO, is training hitting the exact cueball spot, usually with minimal elbow movement came later.

 

[JAW725]

The stroke groover prevents any elbow movement, meaning when you are moving the cue past the straight up and down forearm position the cue tip starts dropping. This is why I promote moving the cue in a dead straight line. By that I mean with some elbow drop on the follow through and on the back stroke.

Just like the stroke of Xiaoting Pan.

 

[MOJOE]

I can't visualize this with the given pictures on that website. Perhaps we can get a video up of how this works? I mean if it prevents ANY elbow movement, how the heck are you gonna stroke?

There is a QuickTime video on the website.

 

[Craig Fales]

Then I don't see why this can't be used with a cola bottle.

I explained that in my first post. Basically if you move your hand in a pendulum motion so is the tip of the cue.

 

[predator]

Saw the video. Sure it helps with lateral movement, but tip of the cue moves up and down if you force your upper arm to be completely motionless. I was expecting something that made your cue go in a completely straight line, like a piston.

 

[OneinaRow]

Great tool for a great stroke

I have used the "Stroke Groover" and have to say that the feedback you get from training with it is very telling. The groover immediately tells the brain the drop or shift of the arm when you stroke using this device. It allows you to work on specific aspects of the stroke that I have never realized without this tool. I quickly felt my elbow drop fighting against this tool and it will force you to correct it. Yes many many folks do some type of movement with their stroke, some with great results (i.e. Bustamante) but most people don't realize how much this movement can affect the outcome of each and every shot. When you work with the groover as I have you begin to get more consistency from your stroke, which is what makes for more consistent play, right? Tightening up all those little idiosyncratic movements and you become a better player. Have to say its a great inexpensive tool that will teach you a lot about your stroke.:thumbup:

 

[Scott Lee]

nksmfamjp...It's pretty simple. A pendulum swing allows the cuetip to strike the CB VERY accurately at the bottom of the swing, which is the only time the cue is "level", and the only time it has to be level (at contact with the CB). Contact lasts for only 1/1000th of a second, therefore a "straightline 'piston' stroke doesn't do anything extra. The CB is gone far too fast for extra movement of the shaft to accomplish anything extra on the stroke. So...when the tip ends up pointing down (as it's supposed to), the shot is long over with. There is no movement of the elbow necessary for an accurate strike on the CB...and in fact, elbow movement will make it more difficult to be accurate.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

This type of stroke when done rigidly, promotes up down tip movement.....how do you teach players to hit an exact spot on the vertical plane with this methodology?

Still, like many, this looks like a good stroke trainer.

I think stroke training is a phase thing...one o this first phases for me was to get 90+% of my stroke from my bicep. A later phase, IMHO, is training hitting the exact cueball spot, usually with minimal elbow movement came later.

 

[elvicash]

I think I need one myself.

Now if only they had a shoot soft trainer (elvi likes to HIT the cue ball)