I play with very ld shafts and there are shots I can't pull off (as well) that I can with h.d. shafts.
I'm hoping over time (if I have enough of that left) I will be able to do the same with l.d. shafts.
Too little deflection?
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I play with very ld shafts and there are shots I can't pull off (as well) that I can with h.d. shafts.
I'm hoping over time (if I have enough of that left) I will be able to do the same with l.d. shafts.
I feel the same way even though I'm the same way.
I think it is more of a readjustment issue than anything. Some (like me) have a harder time adjusting, others seem to adjust very fast.
I went by that creating an angle thing and paid it no mind the first time I saw it.
Its easier to measure deflection as the only phenomenon but the truth is the rate of deflection over distance is influenced by squirt and swerve. Unless you're jacked up over a shot and hit it the perfect speed rarely will you be able to bring the cue ball 100% back onto the line it left the cue tip on.
I played really well with 12.80 maple with a pro taper. I decided to switch to LD because I'd written a book on how to cope with all of the above. I just wanted to try shaft with less squirt for an extended period.
I've been playing with those shafts about 8 months now and I like them but I do yearn for the feel of regular maple. There is a quality there that can't be beat because the feel is different and this might be what you're sort of talking about.
I've been using LD shafts now for about 8 months and the less
deflection/squirt can lull you into not planning for it. Something I never figured would
happen but no matter how much less there is still enough to warrant adjustments and
there is also some safety when the known adjustments are larger.
Absolutely, I have shots I adjust my pivot and shoot them as if the squirt doesn't exist and I run out like that.
I am not sure what delection is,or what swerve is or how you adjust
But I play with anice stiff shaft that seems to draw and follow very good
when i was over cutting with inside I missed so often than I found a trick
I quit usin side sppin and found that I made more shots
any of you guys discovered the same thing
i have a shot that can not be made with deflection and can be made with out it,
or at least i think i have a shot if anyone wants to try it
But I play with anice stiff shaft that seems to draw and follow very good
when i was over cutting with inside I missed so often than I found a trick
I quit usin side sppin and found that I made more shots
any of you guys discovered the same thing
i have a shot that can not be made with deflection and can be made with out it,
or at least i think i have a shot if anyone wants to try it
What's the shot just in case a player comes along?
Yes, creating an angle is where it would be used. But swerve is also involved.
It's kind of hard to explain without a diagram but try to picture the shot I'll describe.
You have a ball say 3 inches off the long rail about 2 diamonds up from the corner pocket with the CB in the area of the side pocket approx. 1 diamond off the long rail.
The next ball you must shoot is on the short rail 6 or so inches from the corner where you're shooting the 1st ball. You can't go cross table because of interfering balls.
There is also a ball about 6 inches off the rail 1/2 diamond below the ball you're shooting. The only way to achieve position is to go between the lower ball and the long rail.
Lets say this is on the right side of the table. Even extreme left will not get you past that lower ball with a LD shaft. With a standard shaft you can get some deflection out to the right and swerve back to the left before contacting the OB. You've now created a shallower angle into the ball and it might be just enough to get by that ball.
Hope the explanation is good enough that most can picture the shot. Basicly it would be used in cases where you need to approach the OB from a little bit straighter angle than the one that actually exists.
I can make this shot and get position with LD shaft but not with HD shaft
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I can make this shot with LD shaft but not with HD shaft
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Yeah, the best example shot that comes up is the virtually straight in shot where you have to cheat the pocket just a little and hit the cue ball with extreme high inside or high outside, in an attempt to catch the rail with the cue ball opposite the side of the pocket you are cheating the object ball to. If there is virtually no deflection on the shaft, when lining it up, it's going to seem like you'll follow the cue ball straight in the pocket right behind the object ball, whereas a shaft with more deflection you won't have to aim the cue ball straight in the pocket, so it is not as scary.
I think it's possible to set up a similar shot where the HD is easier than the LD by adjusting the hindering ball, so this example is, I think, not quite what we are looking for.
What are you looking for than? He asked for a shot that a HD shaft can not made and I show him the shot. I am also curious to see a shot that the LD shsft can not make but the HD shaft can. Show me!
Anyone could make that shot with any shaft if they practice shooting over a ball regularly.
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Yea for sure it's SHOOTING OVER A BALL with HD shaft. With LD shaft you don't have to shoot over a ball AND get position for the 8 ball: Something HD shaft can't do.
The shot can be made easily with a simple pivot using a standard shaft. You just aim differently.
I think the concept of deflection while valid, is entirely overblown. No table plays the same. No stick plays the same. The rails flex more, or perhaps less, some cloth is faster, or slower, some shaft tapers are etc, etc. My suggestion is always, find a cue that you like based on balance, feel, and hit. Some of these things are subjective, but it all plays some role. Practice, practice, practice, and then play, play, and play some more. FWIW, I hope you get a better answer than this to your question.
I don't think there is a better answer...
How did Bob Jewett make the extreme cut shot with the object ball on the spot and the cue ball below it in the pocket? Figured deflect was useful. I also had issue with the straight in side shot. HD same aim point with left or right english and I wouldnt scratch. Low deflection I would sctratch. Its all about adjustment.
Nope, deflection has nothing to do with it. Besides they show a close-up of the cue in that video and it's thin and no ferrule, so it's pretty much LD.
https://youtu.be/GaSKh1PSqok
Julian
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I've been playing with low squirt/deflection shafts since 1980. That was a Balabushka with a Stroud LD shaft. I did the modification to make it LD.