Too much emphasis on cues???
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Cornerman said:
Fred, there's some truth in what he said. When
I started buying cues I didn't know about Customs
& bought Joss, Pechauer, Lucasi, McDermott.
Now I've got some nice customs but I'd be laughed
off of here trying to get a fair price for my Joss
or Lucasi. I refuse to go EBAY & people in my area
are too poor or too cheap to buy a decent cue.
No, you're right. And that wasn't the only
negative comment you got on that thread
just because it was a Lucasi. The late
Old Has Been, who was liked & respected
on this forum, liked his Lucasi as well as his
Balabushka! I like the hit of my McDermott
Sierra as well as my Mottey & Bender.
negative comment you got on that thread
just because it was a Lucasi. The late
Old Has Been, who was liked & respected
on this forum, liked his Lucasi as well as his
Balabushka! I like the hit of my McDermott
Sierra as well as my Mottey & Bender.
Maniac said:
See this is where we have a problem of communication. Maybe there are custom cue bigots on here, but to make it sound like there are a lot of custom cue bigots on these boards such that it's common and rampant is simply not true.hondo said:
I think that those who truly believe that there are custom cue bigots on here aren't paying attention. Every player on this board that has a custom cue has owned non-custom cues at one point or another. And most have no problem suggesting certain production cues that they've had good experiences with.
Personally, I think if you concentrate on those that are perceived as custom cue bigots, then you're missing a whole lot of good stuff from the rest of the custom cue owners who aren't bigots.
Fred
Closer than the average reader, apparently.DaveK said:
Again, if you're (anyone is) going to make such a bold statement, then you need to have backup. Who are these custom cue bigots? I see more people complaining about these "bigots" than I see actual posts that could be conceived as bigotry. Why is that?
Do a search. It might clear your thinking. I did the search. More people defend production cues by 10:1.
Fred
cheesemouse said:
Good Post... When I do happen to play with a housecue, I still play well, but I really like my Pechauer, much better. I have a Black, an Auerbach, a Huebler, a Predator BK & an Auerbach BC. They are all great works of art, by good craftsman.
Some might think because I'm runnnnning out of time, I need to gather more toys....
Purdman
Banned
My .02
I have several high end custom cues myself. I play with them all. Funny thing is, I picked up a very old Adams cue I purchased in a pawn shop a couple years ago for $30 because it was straight. I have been playing with it for a week now. Got to love it. I really don't understand who he thinks a biggot is on here. The truth of the matter is this, you will play with what you can afford to play with. That just might be what is bugging this dude!!!
JMHO Purdman
I have several high end custom cues myself. I play with them all. Funny thing is, I picked up a very old Adams cue I purchased in a pawn shop a couple years ago for $30 because it was straight. I have been playing with it for a week now. Got to love it. I really don't understand who he thinks a biggot is on here. The truth of the matter is this, you will play with what you can afford to play with. That just might be what is bugging this dude!!!
JMHO Purdman
Sure. I searched the Lucasi thread that Maniac was talking about. One poster named Ring put down Lucasi. Every other poster backed up Lucasi and production cues. The closest to a putdown was from Pharoah, who wasn't putting down Lucasi at all, but said the same thing that Maniac said: that all cuemakers will have a bad cue sometimes.DaveK said:
I saw one comment in another thread from Heath (Icon of Sin) who said something like "glad you went custom, you'll never tread production again." This can certainly be viewed as "custom bigotry", but there was more to the thread than "should I go custom or production." Someone was trying to nail down some specifications.
The majority of production putdowns are on Meucci, a company that has suffered from sub-standard quality for several years. That can hardly be called "custom bigotry."
Now, Dave, I did do my research. Every time somebody says these types of posts, I go back to see just what they're talking about. And I don't see where "lots of people put down production cue," etc., etc. What has happened of course is that continued posts like yours and Hondos add to this feeling of "custom bigotry," as if there's something you guys are defending against. And, I don't see it. People have their own opinions about certain cues, and people have opinions on why certain custom cues would be a better choice. But the overall responses back from the posters is in no way "custom bigotry." You'd have to see a lot more than one poster on one thread here, and one line from one poster there for it to be considered "a lot."
Fred
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I always argue that the cue can only do so much. Your top pros are sponsored and have to use certain brands of cues. Johnny Archer has to use Scorpion. Even at the pool hall. While Allison Fischer has to use Cuetec.
I'm a table mechanic and have had customers refer to this site when they said they were doing research for pool related stuff. And some of them felt that it was way to serious or the people on this website are snobs so to say. I've noticed on here that many times every seems to have that feeling they are profesionals for some odd reason.
I have noticed some certain staples of this site.
A - Anyone who plays in the APA leagues are not a real pool player because "APA Sucks"
B - If you use a Cuetec or an other than wood cue then you are not a Pool Player
C - Meucci's aren't worth throwing on a fire. Or should be kept safe in a golden arc that would make God want to remove the 10 commandments from his arc and put it in yours.
D - A good second cue is either a Scruggs or a Balabuska. A Fry if you can't go without feeding your children for more than 2 weeks.
I shoot with multiple cues. And have shot just about every production cue out there. Lucasi, Schon, Meucci, McDermott, Joss. I have my preferences but I can adapt to any of them. At our shop I just use a Meucci 1peice that I think was the first cue ever made. I'll even shoot with a stick that has a warped butt and phenolic tip on it. I mainly shoot with that when playing the shop owners son just to annoy him becuase he's shooting with a Joss.
If it's mostly staight and has a decent tip. I'll shoot with it.
I'm a table mechanic and have had customers refer to this site when they said they were doing research for pool related stuff. And some of them felt that it was way to serious or the people on this website are snobs so to say. I've noticed on here that many times every seems to have that feeling they are profesionals for some odd reason.
I have noticed some certain staples of this site.
A - Anyone who plays in the APA leagues are not a real pool player because "APA Sucks"
B - If you use a Cuetec or an other than wood cue then you are not a Pool Player
C - Meucci's aren't worth throwing on a fire. Or should be kept safe in a golden arc that would make God want to remove the 10 commandments from his arc and put it in yours.
D - A good second cue is either a Scruggs or a Balabuska. A Fry if you can't go without feeding your children for more than 2 weeks.
I shoot with multiple cues. And have shot just about every production cue out there. Lucasi, Schon, Meucci, McDermott, Joss. I have my preferences but I can adapt to any of them. At our shop I just use a Meucci 1peice that I think was the first cue ever made. I'll even shoot with a stick that has a warped butt and phenolic tip on it. I mainly shoot with that when playing the shop owners son just to annoy him becuase he's shooting with a Joss.
If it's mostly staight and has a decent tip. I'll shoot with it.
smittie1984 said:
This is what I'm talking about. You started exactly the same type of post/thread on this supposed custom cue bigotry, yet every responder except for one gave proper responses with no bigotry against production cues. Most of them supported the purchase of production cues. Those that purchase custom cues spoke of design in their parameters and enjoying the artwork.
Does this mean that all the posts that truly do make up the majority of the posters whistles by you unread??? How fair is that to the rest of us? There is what, 99% of this board that also says that a cue can only do so much? Nobody disagrees with you on that, yet you'll make it like we're a bunch of morons.
Fred
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In some cases, people gravitate towards custom cues out of a "collector" mentality in which the owner must have something beautiful and unique. Believe me, I know collectors because I am one and have been one my whole life. It started with comic books, it worstened into guitars, and is now threatened by cues 
How's it hitting?
I think pool has become a lot like golf. You have guys who will never break 100, even on one of our Florida old people's courses, playing with $3,000 clubs. You've seen their counterparts in the pool room, I'm sure.
I've got a few cues and when I wanted to know which was hitting best, I let some of the better pool players take a couple shots with them. One said my old Palmer hit best and my Falcon sneaky was crap, another said the $200 Falcon was better. Since I can't tell the difference between the hit of a Balabushka and a house cue, I have to rely on these other guys' opinions.
I think it was George Fels who said, "Only the first 10 inches or so of a cue have any real effect on how the cue ball is struck, yet virtually all of the money we pay is for the other four feet."
Ace
I think pool has become a lot like golf. You have guys who will never break 100, even on one of our Florida old people's courses, playing with $3,000 clubs. You've seen their counterparts in the pool room, I'm sure.
I've got a few cues and when I wanted to know which was hitting best, I let some of the better pool players take a couple shots with them. One said my old Palmer hit best and my Falcon sneaky was crap, another said the $200 Falcon was better. Since I can't tell the difference between the hit of a Balabushka and a house cue, I have to rely on these other guys' opinions.
I think it was George Fels who said, "Only the first 10 inches or so of a cue have any real effect on how the cue ball is struck, yet virtually all of the money we pay is for the other four feet."
Ace
pharaoh68
Banned
Cornerman said:
Fred-
Thank you for noting that I wasn't putting down Lucasi or production cues at all. In fact, (although I don't remember exactly what I posted) I think I sang their praises. If not, I will now.
Well before I fell in love with custom cues (mainly for their aesthetics and the personal knowledge that the product was handmade), I played with three seperate Lucasi's and they served me well. I had no complaints. I just fell in love with the handcrafted pieces of custom cuemakers as opposed to the mass produced cues of production companies. Yes, there is a different in hit and playability. But it wasn't this difference that made me switch. I admit, it was the aesthetics and the knowledge that one was painstakingly hand-crafted while the other was "churned out". This does NOT make one cue better than another. Not by a long shot. I could name 10 custom makers out there right now whose cues I would bypass for a Lucasi or a Joss.
My comments in the Lucasi thread were meant to shed light on the fact that yes. Production cues do have construction flaws sometimes... AS DO CUSTOM CUES!!! Its not exclusive to lower end cues by any means. I knew a guy once who rested his cue on an angle and without applying too much pressure to it (but just too much), split the forearm wood. It was a custom cue. That was $2,000 out the window. And lest we not forget Richard Black's attempt at a solid ivory cue that cornerstone displayed this year at Valley Forge. Another custom cue and an extremely expensive one at that. Temperature and humidity split right down the middle.
Though I have no research to prove it, I would guess that the number of bad cues that come off a production line are probably proportionately equivalent to those that come off a custom cuemaker's line.