branpureza said:
all his posts are like that.
top player spot on wich table??
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all his posts are like that.
I practice on the tightest tables I can find at a pool hall, I won't even practice on loose tables. At home my table has pocket reducers on. A pro has an easy enough time with loose pockets, I would only play a player better than me on a tight table.
On loose equipment, they'll run out everything.
On tight equipment you'll get a few more chances to shoot, but you'll be forced to do more safety escapes for sure.
Either way, you're doomed. If you're significantly weaker player, neither loose nor tight table will save you.
On tight equipment you'll get a few more chances to shoot, but you'll be forced to do more safety escapes for sure.
Either way, you're doomed. If you're significantly weaker player, neither loose nor tight table will save you.
Southpaw said:
Actually, I've beaten a few pros and it's always been on loose equipment though like I said, against most of them, I would probably prefer tight pockets.
BPG24
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buck15 said:
If someone is going to give me a couple of spot balls, then I want the pockets to be pro cut and shimmed up.... Make them play as tough as possible...
Mainly because of my style of play... I use safeties and 2 ways alot in 9 ball... Especially if I am getting a spot....
If I was spotted a ball or more ie., the 7 & 8, I would want the larger pockets. This would give me a better chance making spot ball combinations and a definite advantage in the push out after the break.
I agree with Jude and $Bill on this one.................Jude Rosenstock said:
Mike
After all of this rhetoric and indecision, it assures me that better players can still make games in their favor.
It depends on a shitload of things:
1. Your speed. I mean, do you play a ball or the seven under the guy? Or, you can't run four balls if your life depends on it?
2. Home turf?
3. Who is it, and do they ever make mistakes? When you are getting balls spotted, and you aren't even close to the guy, you should probably say no and go deal the cards. You can't win here. Games, different story. Noone like to start a race to seven, down five.
4. Size of the bet. If he plays three hundred to three thousand daily or three times a week, and this will be your first time. Expect to throw up before you begin.
5. Crowd? Most guys love the crowd. Do you?
Etc. Etc. All of these things and WAY more come into play when matching up. Those who can fit all of these things into their own formula and come out on top consistently will continue to do so. Others... well, I hope they get their money's worth of enjoyment.
Note to all from experience: IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, YOU MUST TAKE YOUR OPPONENT OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT TO WIN. That's what he is expecting of you. He will give some gimmick. Your gimmick has to be better. Otherwise, well you know the outcome.
It depends on a shitload of things:
1. Your speed. I mean, do you play a ball or the seven under the guy? Or, you can't run four balls if your life depends on it?
2. Home turf?
3. Who is it, and do they ever make mistakes? When you are getting balls spotted, and you aren't even close to the guy, you should probably say no and go deal the cards. You can't win here. Games, different story. Noone like to start a race to seven, down five.
4. Size of the bet. If he plays three hundred to three thousand daily or three times a week, and this will be your first time. Expect to throw up before you begin.
5. Crowd? Most guys love the crowd. Do you?
Etc. Etc. All of these things and WAY more come into play when matching up. Those who can fit all of these things into their own formula and come out on top consistently will continue to do so. Others... well, I hope they get their money's worth of enjoyment.
Note to all from experience: IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, YOU MUST TAKE YOUR OPPONENT OUT OF THEIR ELEMENT TO WIN. That's what he is expecting of you. He will give some gimmick. Your gimmick has to be better. Otherwise, well you know the outcome.
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Jude Rosenstock said:
I wasnt saying "You" as in you...i meant "You" as in us players below top level. If a tighter table makes it tougher for a pro to pocket balls, isnt it gonna make it even tougher for a non pro? The moves of the game are gonna come into play ALOT more and I just dont think you can compensate for the knowledge and cue ball control a pro is gonna have. They will be able to adjust their game to a tighter table by playing more high percentage shots (safeties, 2way shots, etc.). I would much rather be on a table that I could run balls on and maybe keep him sitting as long as I could. On a tight table, basically you're only gonna shoot when/ if he misses and when he plays safe...I dont like my end of that. JMO.
Southpaw
pocket size
If one pro spots another pro the 8 ball it is a relatively small spot as they both get out consistantly anyway.
When one C player spots the other C player the 8 ball, it turns into a monster handicap.
The lower the level of play, the larger the ball spots become. Thus, with a ball spot I would always prefer the toughest possible tables.
On the other hands, games on the wire don't affect the outcomes of each individual game. I would prefer a looser table if I was getting game spots.
If the pro couldn't decide, I would be happy to take both games and balls..........
If one pro spots another pro the 8 ball it is a relatively small spot as they both get out consistantly anyway.
When one C player spots the other C player the 8 ball, it turns into a monster handicap.
The lower the level of play, the larger the ball spots become. Thus, with a ball spot I would always prefer the toughest possible tables.
On the other hands, games on the wire don't affect the outcomes of each individual game. I would prefer a looser table if I was getting game spots.
If the pro couldn't decide, I would be happy to take both games and balls..........
Actionhound
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this is my opinion,
when your playing a "top player" or a player better than you, as long as you have matched up an even game, the only thing that matters is you, if you break down easy, and get frustrated, then your not going to want to play on a tight table, because all it will take is missing one ball and your confidence is gone, and the match is over with then.
when your playing a "top player" or a player better than you, as long as you have matched up an even game, the only thing that matters is you, if you break down easy, and get frustrated, then your not going to want to play on a tight table, because all it will take is missing one ball and your confidence is gone, and the match is over with then.
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I'm surprised to see that people would disagree on this but, then again, people disagree on how to play a stop shot around here, so it really shouldn't come as much of a surprise at all. I'd rather play on a tight table. In your hypothetical match-up here, it's the top player that needs to be slowed down; not the lesser player who needs the advantage of easier equipment. All that loose equipment will do is make it easier for the top player to keep you in your chair.
Jimmy M. said:
Precisely why I voted this way. I want my money ball rattling between the facings when the spotter gets to it.
I think about it this way, using extremes. Imagine the pockets are 55 gallon drums. If you can hit the object ball it's going in, doesn't matter how bad you hit it. You don't need to be a pro to do that, so it evens things out.
Now imagine the pockets are 2.5 inches. Only a great player can make balls consistently now (and probably not very consistently at that size), so it favors the better player.
It's true that the top player may miss more on the tighter table, but so will the worse player. Put another way, the tight pockets might cause the top player to miss 10% more often, but the worse player is going to miss 15% more often with them (those are bogus numbers of course).
It's not enough for the better player to miss. The worse player still has to get out afterwards.
Now imagine the pockets are 2.5 inches. Only a great player can make balls consistently now (and probably not very consistently at that size), so it favors the better player.
It's true that the top player may miss more on the tighter table, but so will the worse player. Put another way, the tight pockets might cause the top player to miss 10% more often, but the worse player is going to miss 15% more often with them (those are bogus numbers of course).
It's not enough for the better player to miss. The worse player still has to get out afterwards.
arsenius said:
EXACTLY!!! Yes you may get a few more opportunities on a tighter table, but what good are they if you cant run 5 balls consisitently.....Another way to look at it is like this, a top player breaks and makes a ball then misses the 2 ball. You are getting the 6 out so you have to run 5 balls to win the game. Which table would you rather be on? Say you run the 5 balls on a loose table and break the next game and make a couple of balls and run down to the 6 and win again. Thats 2 games you have gotten from his miss. How often are you gonna do that on a tight table? You have to be able to take advantage of the opportunitites you get and a looser table helps the weaker player to do that. JMO.
Southpaw
arsenius said:
All I know is, when I give out weight, I want the buckets. Seriously. I rarely (if ever) give out weight on tight equipment.