top players and committing to a event?

raypoitra

raypoitra

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I got a question, how far in advance do the top players commit to an event?

I heard this some where and thinks its a good idea but would the top players help in doing so or I wonder what their thoughts are on this?

someone said "if the top players would commit to a event early enough the promoter would be able to promote and advertise the event better and attracted more players and more sponsors and would be able to organize a events easier"

better promoting + more players + more sponsors= more money for payouts
 
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raypoitra said:
I got a question, how far in advance do the top players commit to an event?

I heard this some where and thinks its a good idea but would the top players help in doing so or I wonder what their thoughts are on this?

someone said "if the top players would commit to a event early enough the promoter would be able to promote and advertise the event better and attracted more players and more sponsors and would be able to organize a events easier"

better promoting + more players + more sponsors= more money for payouts
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Good idea in theory but not in practice.

Truth is that this is why tours are formed in the first place. Players who sign on with a tour commit in advance to their participation in exchange for a set of events to play in with pre-specified money available in the prize fund. Yes, Bonus Ball and the WPBL went about their business this way, and they were, consequently, able to announce well in advance which players would participate.

When every event is independent, as seems to be the case these days, players typically don't have sufficient reason to commit to events in advance. Yes, this makes promoting events harder, but that's part of why we need a tour. Expecting players to consistently commit to events well in advance is not reasonable in these times. The only real benefit that will accrue to them for committing early is assurance of their spot, which is rarely an issue.
 
hmm

yea I see your point, I just think it would be in their best interest to commit early and help promote the independent tournaments being there is no tour for them and good paying events that they can attend are getting less and less. the way I see it the more players the higher the payout, the more the top players make, I am bias tho, I help run the 4bears 8ball classic in nd. and them playing here really helps to attract players because the average league player will not have that many opportunities to see them play or even play against them. lot attend and play these events just for that chance.
 
They don't like to commit early. They wait and try to get everything possible for free beforehand. Then get mad when the fields don't fill and they make less. Double edged sword.

But yes when they commit early it makes it much easier to fill fields around them. And when they don't and the numbers are not there, then independent events start to disappear too. They have always and will always be their own worse enemy.
 
JumpinJoe said:
They don't like to commit early. They wait and try to get everything possible for free beforehand. Then get mad when the fields don't fill and they make less. Double edged sword.

But yes when they commit early it makes it much easier to fill fields around them. And when they don't and the numbers are not there, then independent events start to disappear too. They have always and will always be their own worse enemy.
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Yes, that's a good summation of their predicament.
 
sjm said:
Yes, that's a good summation of their predicament.
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It is a good summation and a part of their Perdicament. But, it gets old as a promoter wth them calling and asking, How many are signed up"/ who is signed up"?
Fo ahead and put me down, Iwill just pay when I get there"" "Can you get my room for me"? "Why cant you"?"After all I've did for the game"!!!
 
I considered this as a sort of mental masturbation while running racks at the hall a week or so ago.

I wouldn't promote the event. A web site with an EMail/date/time/location/entry info and a post to this forum is all you would need.

I'd talk to backers and the players. Screw publicity, this would drive people absolutely insane to get to this event and cause such a massive splash that it would build its own momentum. But it would be all about the format and presentation.

Put up a tournament where the top three spots are the only money spots totaling 50K with a 200,00 buy in.

A no-name, one day, single elimination tournament that nobody ever heard of tossing out 50 geese to the top three. Ya think maybe one or two epic-sized vultures would come circling? Yeah I think so. You just know that the backers would be telling everyone on the planet that its legit... and that's all you would need.

Have someone stream it for 25 bux and have the venue jammed with enough bandwidth to handle the tidal wave of traffic. Get two completely insane commentators to host the stream and everyone's happy. The crazier, the better.... with one guy that can work the equipment and put out any fires those two start.

No host, no announcer, no giant fake check presentation at the end, just cash... and three very happy cannibals counting those stacks. Then the stream of the games after the tournament showing everyone trying to strip the winners of their loots.

Tell me this would be unappealing to anyone even mildly interested in pool. This would be like DCC without the hype. A Breeders Cup for pool players.

Lesh
 
I believe we are doing it all wrong. :confused:

Let's take soccer as an example. :grin:

People Wants to watch the world cup because it is the world cup, not because Brazil is playing in it. In fact, even Brazil wants to play in the world cup because it is the Word cup; it is the most important event for soccer fans and players. That is why countries will fight to death over the period of 4 years to get into that even. For many countries, it is a great honor to just play or host the event let alone winning it.

My point is, the event needs to be more important the players in it. This applies to pool as well. Look at the Musconi cup, it is the important thing and not the players in it. In fact, you will find threads after threads saying "this player shouldn't be there ... That player doesn't even deserve to play for the US team... ETC". Same applies for things like tour de France, US Open, Rally Dakar, F1 and many others.

So, if you want a successful tournament, then you need to make it look important and successful. Work on advertising the tournament itself, players will fight to get into it. In time, your success and very important tournament will make stars and not the other way around.

Trust me, I advertise local businesses for foreign investors for living. :grin-square:
 
raypoitra said:
I got a question, how far in advance do the top players commit to an event?

I heard this some where and thinks its a good idea but would the top players help in doing so or I wonder what their thoughts are on this?

someone said "if the top players would commit to a event early enough the promoter would be able to promote and advertise the event better and attracted more players and more sponsors and would be able to organize a events easier"

better promoting + more players + more sponsors= more money for payouts
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The WPBA did that for its Classic Tour for 15 years. If you're going to ask sponsors to contribute money, they need to be assured that the event will have the top players participate.

This is standard operating procedure. It is also done with International events as well. If an event isn't doing it, then it is either disorganized or there isn't a significant sponsorship commitment to the prize fund.
 
raypoitra said:
yea I see your point, I just think it would be in their best interest to commit early and help promote the independent tournaments being there is no tour for them and good paying events that they can attend are getting less and less. the way I see it the more players the higher the payout, the more the top players make, I am bias tho, I help run the 4bears 8ball classic in nd. and them playing here really helps to attract players because the average league player will not have that many opportunities to see them play or even play against them. lot attend and play these events just for that chance.
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I would be concerned about advertising the players and they not show for what ever reason. You are going out on a limb saying they will be there and spectators showing up. Then should they not show you are telling people how they screwed you by not showing when they promised to be there, even if they never really exactly promised that.

Then that will get repeated on this forum about what a bum this or that player is how they don't keep their promises. My point, it is a no win for the player. Unless you want to pay them a show up fee like is done in other sports so the players so they are contractually obligated, they won't commit to anything and why should they. There is more then one way to look at it.
 
FranCrimi said:
The WPBA did that for its Classic Tour for 15 years. If you're going to ask sponsors to contribute money, they need to be assured that the event will have the top players participate.

This is standard operating procedure. It is also done with International events as well. If an event isn't doing it, then it is either disorganized or there isn't a significant sponsorship commitment to the prize fund.
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You are talking about an organized thing where the players can be compelled to show if they say they will. Just some independent player regardless who they are has no obligation to attend a tournament unless there is something in it for them. I just don't see why a player would agree that far in advance for it to be worth while to the promoter. It would have to be a month or more.
 
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