Tough 9 ball Shot

[Chilifide]

When faced with this shot in a game of 9 ball what do you do?
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I don't think it can be banked into a corner. Normally I'll try this tough safety.
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If I pull it off it looks like this.
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Is there a better way?

--Steve

 

[cubswin]

When faced with this shot in a game of 9 ball what do you do?
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I don't think it can be banked into a corner. Normally I'll try this tough safety.
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If I pull it off it looks like this.
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Is there a better way?

--Steve

well I'd try the bank myself into the top back corner
Will have to give it a try some night and see if I can make it..

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[RSB-Refugee]

When faced with this shot in a game of 9 ball what do you do?
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The answer depends a lot on who you are playing. If your opponent is a great banker, you almost have to go offensive. You could try a two rail bank to the corner. If you are a good kicker, maybe kick off the side rail, trying to hit rail first. I have seen alot of such kicks go in. If your opponent is a weak banker, you could try this,
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it is like "the impossible cut shot" chances are the 9 wont go all the way to the pocket, but your opponent may dog a bank shot, leaving you a decent shot.

Tracy

 

[sjm]

If you are a good player and so is your opponent, I'm of the opinion that the less natural bank hitting the left half of the nine and cutting it backwards to bank it long into the corner is the shot. You'll need some speed to beat the kiss, but you can beat it.

The safety, which is not so easy to execute, always gives up a big advantage to your opoonent, leaving at best an easy two rail duck long or even a two-way bank.

Go for the win here, except against a weak opponent.

 

[cubswin]

If you are a good player and so is your opponent, I'm of the opinion that the less natural bank hitting the left half of the nine and cutting it backwards to bank it long into the corner is the shot. You'll need some speed to beat the kiss, but you can beat it.

The safety, which is not so easy to execute, always gives up a big advantage to your opoonent, leaving at best an easy two rail duck long or even a two-way bank.

Go for the win here, except against a weak opponent.

Why not go for the win period? If your playing a weak opponent wouldn't you take a little bigger chance? I picked the same shot as you btw.

 

[sjm]

Why not go for the win period? If your playing a weak opponent wouldn't you take a little bigger chance? I picked the same shot as you btw.

No, against a weak player the passive safety would work far more often, because that opponent may not be up to the response, gving me an extra chance that, in terms of the percentages, is significant.

 

[cubswin]

No, against a weak player the passive safety would work far more often, because that opponent may not be up to the response, gving me an extra chance that, in terms of the percentages, is significant.

Ok I can buy that. I love safe play, but for me in this position I think I have a bigger chance of not getting a good safe and leaving either a very easy bank or a very makeable cut playing his safe at least.

If I was going to play a safe I'd probably end up playing the 9 down to the end rail and the cueball on the other. Trying to switch the balls in other words.

Of course I only get to play on bar boxes so banks seem easier, at least to me, than on a 9 footer.

 

[Celtic]

Hitting that safety like you show is as tough as making the bank, only the bank is the win and the safety is putting your opponent in control to return a good safety or make the corner bank. Since you are on the rail you cannot easily hit the 9-ball 2 rails to the head rail like this

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It would require jacking up abit and hitting the shot with left hand siding that would cause masse and be really hard to control. It would be way easier though with the cueball an inch or more off the rail or the cueball even 2 inches more towards the top corner where people are suggesting banking it.

I would probably end up doing the thing that most have mentioned and that is a fairly stiff bankshot to the top corner with abit of right hand english. If you get close but miss there is a good chance of the ball coming off 2 horns and getting to the center of the head rail and being pretty safe anyhow and at least you gave yourself the chance to win.

SJM is right as well, against a weak opponent if you can leave them anything tough they are likely to miss and give you the game. You need to know that a weak player will likely miss the corner bank or the long straight 9-ball you could easily leave as a "safe" by even missing the first shot I mention with the jacked up 2 rail safe on the 9. Weak players want you to try the bank and rattle it, then they can win with a simple tap in, anything that makes them still work for it is to your advantage. A tough player simply wants at the table again, they dont want you playing the bank because it may mean they dont get the chance to win the game.

 

[Hal]

Normally I'll try this tough safety.
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If I pull it off it looks like this.
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--Steve

That's the way I would play it.

 

[Jimmy M.]

I'd be playing the bank in the back/upper corner. Either shot is tough but at least I give myself a chance to win if I hit the bank well. Even if I were to hit the safe well, that doesn't mean I'd win the game.

 

[cheesemouse]

I'd be playing the bank in the back/upper corner. Either shot is tough but at least I give myself a chance to win if I hit the bank well. Even if I were to hit the safe well, that doesn't mean I'd win the game.

I gotta go with Jimmy here. This shot is so tough on both sides of the fence that passing on the make and win would be hard to pass. Sometimes you just have to let out your stroke and trust the pool gods.......

 

[Black-Balled]

You are in deep doo doo there! I hope you didn't leave yourself there!! I would probably go for the 1 railer to the opposite r) pocket.
Another option, if you aren't frozen to the top rail, is to hit center right english an bank the 9 4 rails back toward the pocket at the bottom left. The important part is to get the cue back up to the top rail (where the 15 is) coz the 9 is going to be near the pocket when done. You dont want that shot every game!

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[Shorty]

Why not just roll it head on to the nine and double kiss it back to the rail? Nice soft shot sould leave a hard one rail kick at best.

Shorty

 

[the kirkwood ki]

I think the bank straight back is makeable and the four-railer, but call me crazy (and this is just me) I would go for the tough cut shot. If you practice this shot, it is makeable 9 out of ten times and it will reach the pocket. Once you do it a few times it becomes an easy almost no-brainer shot.Aim dead center at the object ball with extreme left hand english and shoot fairly hard. The english will slightly curve the cue ball allowing you to hit the rail first and the english transferred from the cue ball to the object ball after hitting the rail will make the object ball hug the rail all the way into the pocket. Not as hard as it looks. Good shot for betting once you get it down.

 

[Black-Balled]

I think the bank straight back is makeable and the four-railer, but call me crazy (and this is just me) I would go for the tough cut shot. If you practice this shot, it is makeable 9 out of ten times and it will reach the pocket. Once you do it a few times it becomes an easy almost no-brainer shot.Aim dead center at the object ball with extreme left hand english and shoot fairly hard. The english will slightly curve the cue ball allowing you to hit the rail first and the english transferred from the cue ball to the object ball after hitting the rail will make the object ball hug the rail all the way into the pocket. Not as hard as it looks. Good shot for betting once you get it down.

Yeah- the 4-railer is low% to MAKE, but decent % to leave a tough shot, as long as the cue get back up top.
And your 9/10 statement? Bet what you want. I'll even be nice and give you 2 tries!

 

[OldHasBeen]

I have done this many times....

I just barely hit the left side of the nine and bring the cue ball back to the top rail. This hit can be practiced and almost perfected. It comes up quite a lot and is worth practicing (IMO).

TY & GL