Toughest Shot Survey

[Qnut]

I would be interested to know if you think a long straight in shot is harder than an equivalent cut shot - ie the object ball in the same position.

Boro Nut

I will start off by saying I have read none of the responses to this post...

If the shots are the same length (ie cue ball to object ball) I would prefer the cut shot because tinkering with position is easier. Any long shot is tough. If it's straight in then you're pretty much screwed on the next shot too. At least with an angle there's a chance to "recover."

~Chris

 

[ScottR]

I will start off by saying I have read none of the responses to this post...

If the shots are the same length (ie cue ball to object ball) I would prefer the cut shot because tinkering with position is easier. Any long shot is tough. If it's straight in then you're pretty much screwed on the next shot too. At least with an angle there's a chance to "recover."

~Chris

I will start off saying that I HAVE read all of the posts and . . . . .

the long straight shot is harder for me. I have more trouble seeing the aiming point on the object ball when it is straight or relatively so. I, too get paid on the 15th and plan to raid Drivermakers house for all of his G*& damn aiming systems. I will leave my cash payment, of course, but it probably won't be enough. I will leave my Glock 22 in the car to help speed up my running getaway. Then it's a fire-fight - thank goodness I got those hi-cap mags!!

p.s. Lora Ann . . . . . . hummina, hummina . . . .welcome to the forum!!

 

[Eydie Romano]

I own a couple (we're allowed that here in the good ol' US of A and I have a license to carry).

But you gotta be a numbskull to be addressing MY post. Have you seen what Lora Ann looks like? Not only is she the new forum hottie...but she makes Marissa look like a big pile of Great Dane (you know what). Redirect your laser beam to a new target

Drivemaker ~ why are you making personal attacks on Marissa? You're usually a nice guy, what happened? Out of nowhere on this completely different post you start to slam the girl? What for? What gives?

The question here was "Toughest Shot Survey" not "Take Pot Shots at Marissa Survey."

 

[Chucklez65]

If its off the rail, I definitely prefer the long straight in shot.

If your basics are good, the straight should be a little easier to his as you have more of the pocket to hit than you do with a tougher cut.

JMO.

Oh, and I agree with Eydie. There is no reason to be taking pot shots at anyone.

Please keep this to a minimum.
Thanks

 

[no-sho]

Straight In

Well since I'm crossed eyed anyway the long straight in shot is by far more difficult than a thin cut. I look more the fool if I miss the pocket by a diamond on a straight in shot, then if I undercut or overcut a ball. Hell how I'm I suppossed to make a ball anyway when I have to concentrate dominate eye as opposed to non dominate, right brain/ left brain, cue under my chin,cue under my dominate eye, correct stance, proper stroke,correct backswing address the cueball, I didn't know the the cueball had an address. then execute the proper follow through, do I look at the object ball or cue ball last, I forgot already? Pull the stringe, Oh! I forgot to account for that all english I have to use cause that back handed english that I used on the last shot put me on the wrong angle AGAIN. What the f##k is backhanded english. I asked Ralph Souquet last month at the Euro TOUR if he could explain it to me and this from THE 95 World Champion,03 U.S.Open Champion "I never heard of it." Is he pulling my string? Make mental note do GOOGLE search for Back handed English.Note #2 is that one word or two, do ANOTHER search. Oh I forgot, I have to execute my shot.Stand back up and rechalk my cue and start over. Check all preshot routine info again and pull the string. BINGO MISSED AGAIN. No wonder Danny plays so slow!!!!!
I LOVE THIS GAME.

no-sho

 

[Rod]

I have no idea why people need an aming system, you either see the angle or you don't. I suppose some need a blanket (thinking of Linus in Peanuts) since there method (whatever that was) didn't work.

If you don't hit where you aim, C/B and O/B -- well I'll let you all fill in the blanks.

Be that as it may, I'll take the straight in any day, even if whitey is on the rail. There is a little trick to making those rail shots easier. I'd imagine the vote on this will be fairly close.

Rod

 

[vapoolplayer]

I would be interested to know if you think a long straight in shot is harder than an equivalent cut shot - ie the object ball in the same position.

Boro Nut

what do you mean by the "equivalent" cut shot??? you mean a slight angle? alot of angle??? what??


honestly i think straight in shots are the easiest(unless you're on a rail or jacke up)

because i spent so much time just setting up stop shots to develop a straight stroke. all you have to do is stroke and the ball goes in.

VAP

 

[Opie]

I will start off by saying I have read none of the responses to this post...

If the shots are the same length (ie cue ball to object ball) I would prefer the cut shot because tinkering with position is easier. Any long shot is tough. If it's straight in then you're pretty much screwed on the next shot too. At least with an angle there's a chance to "recover."

~Chris

I agree with you Qnut. I've had far too many easy run-outs fail because I got straight-in on a ball and couldn't get good shape on the next one. So in response to the original question, I prefer to shoot the shot with an angle.

 

[BlowFish]

My vote is for the straight-in shot. It's more difficult as QNut has mentioned. You can do less with CB than with a tough cut.

 

[Boro Nut]

what do you mean by the "equivalent" cut shot??? you mean a slight angle? alot of angle??? what??

I mean exactly equivalent - ie the cue ball is moved in an arc to create the cut, not the object ball. Same distance, same target for the object ball.

Boro Nut

 

[Boro Nut]

I agree with you Qnut. I've had far too many easy run-outs fail because I got straight-in on a ball and couldn't get good shape on the next one. So in response to the original question, I prefer to shoot the shot with an angle.

Assume it's the nine ball. Don't get confused by other issues, I'm just interested in how difficult you think making each particular shot is, relatively. Would this change your answer?

Boro Nut

 

[drivermaker]

Drivemaker ~ why are you making personal attacks on Marissa? You're usually a nice guy, what happened? Out of nowhere on this completely different post you start to slam the girl? What for? What gives?

The question here was "Toughest Shot Survey" not "Take Pot Shots at Marissa Survey."

Well Eydie, as a long time poster here yourself, you know how the direction of a thread can change from one post to the next. Within a matter of minutes the discussion can lead to something that doesn't even relate to the title of the thread....happens all the time.

Besides, my comment wasn't a personal attack on her as much as it was in honor of her typical posts which revolve around feces or the tunnel from which it emerges. Lest you need a memory refresher, go to the "Best glove" thread and read some of her comments mentioning shit and shitting. Ta-ta and have a nice day.

 

[Boro Nut]

Besides, my comment wasn't a personal attack on her as much as it was in honor of her typical posts.

Don't let Eydie discourage you DM, you can have a go at me anyday mate. Water off a ducks back to an Englishman. No offence taken, I assure you. It's more of a national hobby to us lot, and we're the only ones who've realised the trick is obviously to use boiling water.

Boro Nut

 

[drivermaker]

Don't let Eydie discourage you DM, you can have a go at me anyday mate. Water off a ducks back to an Englishman. No offence taken, I assure you. It's more of a national hobby to us lot, and we're the only ones who've realised the trick is obviously to use boiling water.

Boro Nut

I'll always be taking a pot shot at you since I know that you're going to come back with a response that'll get me to rolling on the floor from laughter.

Now, back to the shot line up. Is the OB going into the pocket from a spot on the table that allows it 100% straight in access, or is the angle such that you have to hit slightly into the pocket facing or a rail might come into play?

 

[Qnut]

Assume it's the nine ball. Don't get confused by other issues, I'm just interested in how difficult you think making each particular shot is, relatively. Would this change your answer?

Boro Nut

Ok....since we're getting into a little more detail on the aspects of the shot...

We've established that the object ball is in the same position, and that the cue ball is either straight-in, or rotated to be the same distance from the object ball but on a tough angle.

We've established that position for the next shot is not required, that this is the "money" ball.

One last thing...do we have "free access" to the cue ball? In so far as, can we shoot the shot with a normal bridge (without interference) and use any type of english, draw, etc (again, without interference)? The cue isn't stuck to a rail or otherwise obstructed.

If this is the case, and I can bridge normally I would change my answer. I would prefer to shoot the straight-in shot. Making the ball is easier (for me, anyway) and if no position is required for the next shot....

~Chris

 

[Boro Nut]

Is the OB going into the pocket from a spot on the table that allows it 100% straight in access, or is the angle such that you have to hit slightly into the pocket facing or a rail might come into play?

Either. You can decide, as long as it's the same target for both shots.

Boro Nut

 

[Boro Nut]

For my part I think it's obvious that a straight shot is the easiest, not only from personal experience, but by simple logic. The sweet spot is largest when it's staring you in the face straight on. A few degrees off centre the reduction is not significant and you may not notice the difference, but by the time the cut approaches 90° your margin of error is disappearing to zero. So statistically, any cut is always harder than a straight shot.

Enough data for a pie chart I think

Most Difficult Shot

Straight Steak & Kidney Pie - SJM, JLW, ScottR, NoSho, Opie, BlowF - 43%

Cut Apple Pie - LA, CH65, RodD, VAP, QN, BN - 43%

Don't like Pie - DM, PL - 14%

Boro Nut

 

[Phil B.]

I think straight shots are tougher, and they are a good practice tool. Like when Mosconi shows his drill in the straight shots...Starst and lengthens them until he's on the rail with the cb. Hit's them hard to check stroke and aim. I do it all the time and it definitely gets your arm going straight.

I also practice them using all methods of english until I can move the cb to different positions that otherwise would be impossible for novice players. One example would be hitting the cb with full left or right english...Both medium and hard strokes etc...

Cut shots are easier if you have finesse. I think McCready is one of the best cutters I have seen so far. He can slice the ball at 100MPH and still play position and not to mention make the ball. LOL

 

[pete lafond]

I have heard someone say that straight shots are more difficult because of the pressure. No excuse for missing a straight shot, a cut shot? People understand missing better.

A good system makes both shots easy, get your head into the shots and here comes the pressure. A good system helps keep the head out of the shot.

 

[TATE]

I would be interested to know if you think a long straight in shot is harder than an equivalent cut shot - ie the object ball in the same position.

Editted to add - assume it's the nine ball - don't think of positional complicaions, just the relative difficulty of potting each shot.

Boro Nut

The question isn't presented properly because the amount of angle can make cut shots more or less difficult, while straight in long shots are all pretty much the same.

I find straight in shots are more difficult than small angle cut shots, while large angle cuts are more difficult than straight shots.

For example, which of the shots shown below would you find easiest to make?