Tournament question?

cdavis9771

cdavis9771

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Just wanted to know if any of you guys/gals have ever had the tournament director move you up in rank in the middle of the tournament. It happened to me saturday night. I have never played in this tourney before but, half the room knew how i played and the tournament director asked around because he had never seen me before. Everyone said that they haven't seen me anywhere in a long time because i have taken up golf for the last 5 years just exactly like i told him. The game kinda came back to me and i played well. Well enough even though they ranked me up i ended up in the championship game in which the other guy was playing as well as i was and ran out the set to beat me. The guy that did that was ranked 2 positions lower than me! :eek: Has this ever happened to you guys/gals?
 
When I ran the Mother's tournament, I have indeed stopped a match and raised a handicap in the middle of a game. It was a big event and known for out of town roadies to try & sneak in a steal it. If you were so lucky to be a new player and I didn't rank you at the ceiling...then I'd keep my eye on you and often would make adjustments as needed. I was fair though. If I did rank you a "10" and then saw your true speed was lacking...I'd often lower a player as well.
 
Happened to me about a year ago. I took a year off from the local tournaments so that I could practice solo. When I came back I was two balls better and they adjusted my handicap accordingly after the second match. I didn't argue because I felt it wasn't out of reason and I still managed to place in the cash (eventually losing to a hill-hill match to get into the finals).

cdavis9771 said:
Just wanted to know if any of you guys/gals have ever had the tournament director move you up in rank in the middle of the tournament. It happened to me saturday night. I have never played in this tourney before but, half the room knew how i played and the tournament director asked around because he had never seen me before. Everyone said that they haven't seen me anywhere in a long time because i have taken up golf for the last 5 years just exactly like i told him. The game kinda came back to me and i played well. Well enough even though they ranked me up i ended up in the championship game in which the other guy was playing as well as i was and ran out the set to beat me. The guy that did that was ranked 2 positions lower than me! :eek: Has this ever happened to you guys/gals?
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Only new unknown players should be moved up in the middle of a tournament. If the player has played before then their handicap shouldn't be moved up until after the tournament.
 
cheesemouse said:
If the guy runs out the set to win what difference did it make what your ranking was???....
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Well because he was playing as well as i and that he was ranked twice as low.
Which brings the question how he wasn't raised as well. Also i got info from other players that who all know me that said a player had won 4 tourneys in a row and was never raised. It really is a lack of the tournament directors knowledge of directing.
 
It happened to me at Goodtimes In Somerville MA (Rocky's Touyrnament). I was playing this guy who was a real break and run out player. I madce an awesome kick at the 8 ball and pocketed it in front of Rocky. My oppnent said I fouled on one of the balls I was snookered on. I said I didn't think I fouled, and Rocky said it was the shooters call. Then I said if you think it's a foul this game is your, and forfited that game (goodspoirt that I am).

The handi cap is sopost to be from league I was a 3 at the time. Rocky said before the second game with this guy that I just gave a questionable game to. Your not a 3, your a 5. So Rocky waved his magic wound over my head and POOF, I was now a 5.

I lost the rest of that set, not winning one game. And my loser side match was against a 6. I lost every game against him. I was cheated by the so called tournament directer.

But to Rocky's creadit, when I complained. he offered to have me play ing the next tournamnet free, as a 3 or a 4 if I remember. But in the middle of a game I don't care what anyone says. I was cheated out of my chance at the tournament...

Pete
 
Rankings ...

First, most Pool players lie about their skill level when trying to get into a handicapped tournament, figuring to take the tournament off by being ranked lower than what they know to be different.

You said he was 2 below you, then in a later post you said you were ranked twice what his handicap was, so that means you were a 4 and he was a 2, and then you tried to make it sound like he put a 5 pack on you by saying he ran out the set! Did you mean he ran the last game going to 2 after the 1st was over, or ran 2 tables on you? That is a far cry from running the set out in my books.

Everyone whines about a 2 beating them, and I hope it was 8 ball because there should be no 2's allowed in a 9 ball tournament if the TD knows anything about tournaments, weekly or not.

I think you are just mad because you didn't win the tournament when you thought you could by being ranked lower than you should, and you just want some sympathy.

Granted, any 2 winning 4 tournaments in a row should be raised in handicap to at least a 3, but sometimes the Pool Gods smile on those 2's and even they can make a 'connect-the-dot' out.

I think you are just whining, and you made it sound the best you could in your favor.
 
cdavis9771 said:
Just wanted to know if any of you guys/gals have ever had the tournament director move you up in rank in the middle of the tournament.
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Yes. But, some ranking systems re-evaluate your rank after every match.

Fred
 
Snapshot9 said:
First, most Pool players lie about their skill level when trying to get into a handicapped tournament, figuring to take the tournament off by being ranked lower than what they know to be different.

You said he was 2 below you, then in a later post you said you were ranked twice what his handicap was, so that means you were a 4 and he was a 2, and then you tried to make it sound like he put a 5 pack on you by saying he ran out the set! Did you mean he ran the last game going to 2 after the 1st was over, or ran 2 tables on you? That is a far cry from running the set out in my books.

Everyone whines about a 2 beating them, and I hope it was 8 ball because there should be no 2's allowed in a 9 ball tournament if the TD knows anything about tournaments, weekly or not.

I think you are just mad because you didn't win the tournament when you thought you could by being ranked lower than you should, and you just want some sympathy.

Granted, any 2 winning 4 tournaments in a row should be raised in handicap to at least a 3, but sometimes the Pool Gods smile on those 2's and even they can make a 'connect-the-dot' out.

I think you are just whining, and you made it sound the best you could in your favor.
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Lets get this straight we are'nt 2's and 4's like yourself. We are 9's and 7's. If you would read into my post other than making a story of your own then you would see that i plainly said that everyone in the poolroom knew me and the tournament director went on what they told him in which i was totally ok with. As for your information sounds like you are the crook because you thought up that trying to get a lower rank to take advantage of the tournament. How can someone take advantage of the tournament when everyone in there knows them. You sure are ingnorant!
 
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cdavis9771 said:
Well because he was playing as well as i and that he was ranked twice as low.
Which brings the question how he wasn't raised as well. Also i got info from other players that who all know me that said a player had won 4 tourneys in a row and was never raised. It really is a lack of the tournament directors knowledge of directing.
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Well, in your first post you stated he was 2 below you, and then reading from a later post (above), it states 'that he was ranked twice as low', and if there was 2 difference and he was ranked twice as low (maining you were twice as high), that ADDS up to being 2 and 4, smartass.

I am a 9 FYI, and have been playing 44 years, and I usually get asked to rank someone new to a tournament, or people like yourself. Yes, people get raised up, but usually only in weekly tournaments if they are in question, or if their shooting is much better than what they were ranked,
BUT, I know all the little tricks pulled by players trying to get one up on an unsuspecting tournament director.

Evelyn Dysert, tournaemnt director for the Midwest 9 ball tour, and she also directs other tournaments that are handicapped, will raise a player up during the tournament if that player displays an advanced skill set over what they are rated before the tournament. Usually, those in question are usually in the 4-7 handicap range.

Perhaps you should review you own words before calling someone ignorant.
 
Snapshot9 said:
Well, in your first post you stated he was 2 below you, and then reading from a later post (above), it states 'that he was ranked twice as low', and if there was 2 difference and he was ranked twice as low (maining you were twice as high), that ADDS up to being 2 and 4, smartass.

I am a 9 FYI, and have been playing 44 years, and I usually get asked to rank someone new to a tournament, or people like yourself. Yes, people get raised up, but usually only in weekly tournaments if they are in question, or if their shooting is much better than what they were ranked,
BUT, I know all the little tricks pulled by players trying to get one up on an unsuspecting tournament director.

Evelyn Dysert, tournaemnt director for the Midwest 9 ball tour, and she also directs other tournaments that are handicapped, will raise a player up during the tournament if that player displays an advanced skill set over what they are rated before the tournament. Usually, those in question are usually in the 4-7 handicap range.

Perhaps you should review you own words before calling someone ignorant.
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OK i see what you are saying about the twice as low. I apologize. I meant he was 2 ranks beneath me. We were playing 8-ball and he was undefeated just as i was. His rank stayed the same to where he could lose 4 games and mine went from losing 3 games to 2 games by the director. I had to win 4 to his 2. He was obviously playing to a 9 handicap speed throughout the tourney. That wasn't what this thread was about it was about if anyone else has had this happen to them. But you took it to a new level. First of all you insult me by saying i was whining about a lesser player beating me and say i was a liar about my rank. Now you have called me smartass. Therefore i will point out something for you and your 44years of playing pool. If i was only a 9 after 44 years of playing pool well lol enough said. YOU SUCK!!!
 
SCCues said:
You couldn't have said it better!
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It doesn't matter what his rank was if he ran the set out. The point was he was ranked lower than me and i was the only one who got raised. Please if you reply to this at least pay attention.
 
cdavis9771 said:
It doesn't matter what his rank was if he ran the set out. The point was he was ranked lower than me and i was the only one who got raised. Please if you reply to this at least pay attention.
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You were the new player, and the game "kinda came back" to you. That is, your game was looking better than whatever they started you as. IMO, moving you up is the correct call.

The other player was a known player with a known ranking and is going to have his ups and downs. He may have been having his ups. Keeping him at his handicap is the correct call.

Imagine if they didn't raise you, and you won the tournament? Then, your opponent would have been on here with his own thread about first-timers lying about their handicap and robbing the tournament. You made it to the finals of a handicap tourney in your first attempt. If the rankings allow it, your handicap should be higher the next time.

Fred
 
this is exactly why i dont play in hadicap tournaments....mostly all of the tournaments here in houston are NOT handicapped.
 
cdavis9771 said:
OK i see what you are saying about the twice as low. I apologize. I meant he was 2 ranks beneath me. We were playing 8-ball and he was undefeated just as i was. His rank stayed the same to where he could lose 4 games and mine went from losing 3 games to 2 games by the director. I had to win 4 to his 2. He was obviously playing to a 9 handicap speed throughout the tourney. That wasn't what this thread was about it was about if anyone else has had this happen to them. But you took it to a new level. First of all you insult me by saying i was whining about a lesser player beating me and say i was a liar about my rank. Now you have called me smartass. Therefore i will point out something for you and your 44years of playing pool. If i was only a 9 after 44 years of playing pool well lol enough said. YOU SUCK!!!
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Perhaps I should explain a little more, a 9 out of 10 on a MONEY SCALE (i am old school remember), not some local handicap scale that has nothing to do with someone's true speed, especially since Local Pool halls will adjust handicaps depending on who is in the tournament. You got the 7.

I find it just a little hard to believe that after 5 years of not playing, you would come back, be rated a 9, have the game come back to you (just like sex, huh?), and not be aware of the rules for a handicapped tournament. Your right, you don't sound like a 9 to me.
 
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Snapshot9 said:
Perhaps I should explain a little more, a 9 out of 10 on a MONEY SCALE (i am old school remember), not some local handicap scale that has nothing to do with someone's true speed, especially since Local Pool halls will adjust handicaps depending on who is in the tournament. You got the 7.

I find it just a little hard to believe that after 5 years of not playing, you would come back, be rated a 9, have the game come back to you (just like sex, huh?), and not be aware of the rules for a handicapped tournament. Your right, you don't sound like a 9 to me.
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Well as for sex i am too active to forget at this present time but i am sure that when i get your age, or maybe it is because you can't get any, it won't seem like all that. Huh i can't wait to feel that way it sure would save me alot of trouble. The 7-ball come on man you can play better than that right? As for the rules. The rule of moving a player up in the middle of the tourney is the most cowardly rule out there. If thats the case then after every match the guy who wins should be moved up or the loser should be moved down. Actually i have played a 9-ball tourney that way but at least you knew it up front. It made a very close match. O yeah bring it on with that 7-spot. Have a wonderful rest of your life too.;)
 
Cornerman said:
You were the new player, and the game "kinda came back" to you. That is, your game was looking better than whatever they started you as. IMO, moving you up is the correct call.

The other player was a known player with a known ranking and is going to have his ups and downs. He may have been having his ups. Keeping him at his handicap is the correct call.

Imagine if they didn't raise you, and you won the tournament? Then, your opponent would have been on here with his own thread about first-timers lying about their handicap and robbing the tournament. You made it to the finals of a handicap tourney in your first attempt. If the rankings allow it, your handicap should be higher the next time.

Fred
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Finally someone with an actual intelligent reply. Very professional i might add. Trust me i was not new to these folks. They all knew my potential except the director. He went around and asked these folks how i matched up and they made the call not me. Anyhow thanks for your professionalism on this matter.:D
 
cdavis9771 said:
He went around and asked these folks how i matched up and they made the call not me.
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He did the right thing. I ran a handicap tourney in both SC & TX... both tourney's always attracted the local players because of added money, which in turn attracted any road players that were in the area. I started the males out at one rating and the females two ratings below that.

More times than not, I didn't have to ask the other players about a new person... LOL, they were more than willing to come tell me. Every once in awhile I would ask folks about a new player. Some new players were honest from the get go & would tell me that the ranking was too low while others sat back to see how far they could get before getting caught.

Jeremy Jones & Danny Harriman come to mind. Danny wasn't able to sneak into the TX tourney because I already knew him from being on the road and coming through SC a couple of yrs before that. An 18/19 yr old JJ snuck in as a 5 but that didn't last long. ;)

Some players, like Jeremy were moved up in the middle of a match. IMO, that's the only fair way to do it. When someone is blatantly a better shooter than the avg middle of the road ranking given to a new player, it's only fair to move them up... middle of a match or not. Otherwise, it defeats the whole purpose of a handicap tourney. Even in a handicap tourney, the cream rises to the top but every once in a great while a good player will have a bad day on the same day that a lesser player has a good day.

No player should be allowed to rank themselves. They can certainly make suggestions but it's up to the TD to decide. For me that was a long time ago when I was very involved in pool and played a lot. I was able to judge a persons speed much better than I can now. I felt competent making those decisions as did the room owners because they asked me to run the tourneys. If no one in the room knew the player, I watched their match like a hawk... I watched their stroke, their position play, all of their mannerisms... running a handicap tourney is a thankless, pain in the rear job, believe me.

IMO, the TD did the right thing and moving people up or down during the middle of a match is not unprecedented. It should be expected in order to maintain fairness and integrity in the handicap system that is used.
 
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