Tournaments.....dead money players

Surprisingly,... no one said it's because they just don't want to see a top notch player getting a bye... making it way easy for them to sail into the next round.

Most people would rather watch a match then watch nothing at all.

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Jake........you are right. i don't look down at the fillers. all i was doing was just wondering what their reason was or why they do it. and yes they are thanked because the people i talked to are people that i would consider friends. I just wanted to share their reasons with the people on this board cuz i have never seen this subject talked about on here and was curious what everybodies reaction would be to this subject..................mike
 
I too am somwhere in the B area of play (in onepocket). Though I don't really have a good chance of winning, I am going to enter a one pocket tourney being put on in my area.
The reason being most of the time I play the same folks over and over, and we know each other's strengths and weaknesses. I think it would be good for my game, a great learning experience to play some better players, and also to play people that I don't know. Yea, I'll probably end up donating, but then again, maybe I will be in dead stroke and give them a run for their money, if not beat a few of em.
What ever happens I hope to have a lot of fun and see some really good one pocket played.
 
rackmsuckr said:
Some people on here have suggested I give up my spot on the IPT. Next year, the cream of the crop is going to rise to the top, and I suspect ;) I won't be there. However, it is going to be a hell of a ride! My goal is to hang in there, not look too feeble, try and run a few racks, and have the time of my life and learn from the pros and my idols. Oh, and support my husband to stay in the top 100!
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Just do your best Linda and enjoy it.

My take is that if yourself or some other underdog has a good run in one of the events, it will make for some brilliant TV and could inspire tens or hundreds of thousands of new fans to follow the sport. The IPT needs stories to get it into the public consciousness.

That would be great for the future of the IPT. And that's why I think KT put an assortment of people into the inaugural season. To get some great storylines to attract larger audiences to the game so they'll come to appreciate it and come to recognize the superstars of the sport like Efren, Manalo, Duel, Mika etc.
 
When I was talking about the Pro-Am event saying it would give me a taste of tournament play.....I meant that in respect to format of play and how things work.....But from a play standpoint.....I'll get to shoot against at least one pro and whether or not they take it seriously I will be bringing my best game to the table.....To spend felt time with a pro in my opinion will be worth every bit of the $25 whether or not there is a money purse at the end or a scholarship for a kids education.....

I just hope my best game doesn't embarass me in a public forum.....but if it does well I need to know that too....;)
 
Timberly said:
So far everyone that has posted in this thread has what I call a "healthy outlook". There are folks that won't play in these tournaments because the players are too good and they can't win.

IMO these are the people that will never be good or even decent players. They don't have a clue. If they did have a clue, they would be the first in line to sign up for the tournament. ;)
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That is not necessarily true for everyone. I have never liked to play in any tournament where I knew I couldn't win and have tended to avoid them. Instead I worked on improving my game until I felt I could compete at a higher level. I always found it a little embarrassing to get tromped on. Gradiently, I worked my way up to being able to compete well against even the top players in the world (all except Efren who has trounced me every time I have played him).

I guess sometimes it is different strokes for different folks.

Wayne
 
Great question

Hey All,

First time post, from Canada.

I love this question. I played alot of tourneys for years, then hadnt played at all for the most of the last 4 or 5 years. Just recently started to get back into it. I found a great little Friday night tournament, good field, even some Cdn pros show up from time to time.

Its modified dbl elim. Game handicaps. Pros play as 10s. They put me in starting at a 7. I beat a 7 first round, lost to a 10, 10-4 second round. Loved the feeling of playing good players again. I started in a CPA league (same as APA) about a year ago. No competition there though.

Anyway, when I told my fellow leaguers about my fri night results, the overwhelming response was "I guess you wont be going back next week".

Are you kidding me? If I had won it easily, I may not of gone back. Other than that, I see it as a challenge, as a way to improve, and a way to learn just watching. Ive played the last 4 weeks now, and my break and safeties, and especially shot selection have dramatically improved, simply out of necessity.

I got into the money my 3rd week there, and am now playing as an 8, and I still feel ok about my chances. If we were gambling, I would want more than 2 games to 10 from one of the pros. But in a tournament, for $20 entry, Ill take a shot at really earning a victory, and learning even if I lose.

I really think playing better players is the quickest way to get better, if not the only way. Ive heard people say you can only get as good as the best guy in your room. While that is obviously not literally true, I dont think the point is far off.
 
Reading this thread really helped me make a decision about a tournament I was considering playing here in the near future down at College (San Diego). I'm a solid B player all day long, so I can run my fair share of racks so I figure in a short set I might have a chance against just about anybody I suppose. There's alot of "hitters" there for lack of a better term though, and honestly I didn't want to just sign up, get smoked and go home kinda deals.. LOL I think (providing it doesn't interfere with a rivertrip) I'm going to sign up for that deal and give it a shot. Hell it's only 30 bucks?

Incidentally.. First time poster, long time reader.

DJ
 
PlynSets said:
Reading this thread really helped me make a decision about a tournament I was considering playing here in the near future down at College (San Diego). I'm a solid B player all day long, so I can run my fair share of racks so I figure in a short set I might have a chance against just about anybody I suppose. There's alot of "hitters" there for lack of a better term though, and honestly I didn't want to just sign up, get smoked and go home kinda deals.. LOL I think (providing it doesn't interfere with a rivertrip) I'm going to sign up for that deal and give it a shot. Hell it's only 30 bucks?

Incidentally.. First time poster, long time reader.

DJ
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Thanks for reading my post and good luck and welcome to the board.......................mike
 
I've been playing in the Joss Tour for about four years now. I know that I don't have a chance of winning. Why do I play? Well at 17 I was a road player for about three years, mostly in the New England Area. Used to travel weekends with Bill Corrigan, a great young straight pool player from Amsterdam (now deceased). I quit playing for 33 years to raise a family and other pursuits. After the kids were grown I had more time on my hands and just wanted to see if I had anything left.

I play the tour because I have the extra money and I love the competition at that level. I have lost to some great players. I went 9-7 with Mike Zuglan at Hippos and this weekend I lost 9-5 to Dennis Hatch. I learn something every tournament stop that I play and my play is getting better. I know that I cannot recoup the skills that age has robbed me of, but I am having a great time.

I have been trying to pickyou out of the croud but without success. Next time you see me at the tour, introduce yourself.

Jim Romanowski
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I must not be considered 'dead money', because every time there is a pool tournament, the local rooms send a cab for me....
Doug
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LMAO!

Thx.
 
wayne said:
That is not necessarily true for everyone. I have never liked to play in any tournament where I knew I couldn't win and have tended to avoid them. Instead I worked on improving my game until I felt I could compete at a higher level. I always found it a little embarrassing to get tromped on. Gradiently, I worked my way up to being able to compete well against even the top players in the world (all except Efren who has trounced me every time I have played him).

I guess sometimes it is different strokes for different folks.

Wayne
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Wayne, I was talking about the people that will never play in these. (The guys that think they know all there is to know about pool and then get beligerent when an A player shows up to play in "their" tourney & they refuse to play because of the A player....that kind of person. ;) ) You were still aspiring and trying to improve your game so that you felt more comfortable playing in the events.

I guess I should've clarified a little better.... sorry about that. ;)
 
your "magic memory warchest"

jnav447 said:
I'm a big sports fan, and would love to have tried to hit one of Roger Clemen's heaters, thrown a pass to Jerry Rice, try to get a serve past Andre Aggassi, hit a drive farther than Tiger, block one of MJ's jumpers, or cut Jeff Gordon off in the last lap and steal a victory. Sadly, none of this will ever happen. However, for a fairly modest entry fee, I have a longshot chance at putting a lock-up safety on one of my pool champion heroes, and hear the poetic words "nice shot". While you may be donating $, you're also donating to your "magic memory warchest" which is of much higher value.
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Wow! That was really well said!

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
dead money players

Hello: I would like to start by asking you a question? do you play golf ? basketball? baseball ? football ?. no, well what other sport can I play in and play with a pro ? I had the pleasure or playing EARL STRICKLAND in a tournament . I am a old man , have shook hands with minnesot fats, hank aaron, and tye cobb.pool is about a banger or shortstop as we are called. It is the love of the sport, and the pro players that we try MY OPENION. OLD MAN {STICK} KYTLE:D :D :D :D :D :D
 
Hi Jim. i was there on Saturday until just after the calcutta and started to feel a little sick so i left early. will you be coming to the Joss event at the Golden Cue in Albany next month. that is my home room so in all likely hood that is where i will introduce myself. but you can't miss me. i have long hair and a full beard. which by the way is coming off this week i think,,,,,mike
 
been shooting for a couple of months.

i was playing for $100 a set one time, and it was hill to hill after i was leading 6-3, I thought i had the game

the guy went outside to snort something and he was banking on the long cut, cutting everyball, hitting long shots on the rail, he was just in the FKing ZONE. he beat me 7-6. i was angry,
 
So are you saying the guy only beat you because he was on drugs??? How do you know he was snortin something? Did he invite you or offer to sell to you??? Maybe he just needed to make a phone call or get some air to settle his game down......

Maybe I'm missing the point of your response.....just not sure where dead money comes in ...... unless you read drug money by mistake....lol.....

Oh and when I go outside it's usually for a smoke...

Banger
 
cueball1950 said:
Hi Jim. i was there on Saturday until just after the calcutta and started to feel a little sick so i left early. will you be coming to the Joss event at the Golden Cue in Albany next month. that is my home room so in all likely hood that is where i will introduce myself. but you can't miss me. i have long hair and a full beard. which by the way is coming off this week i think,,,,,mike
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I will be at the Golden Cue. I love playing there. Had many great games of straight pool and nineball (old rules) there in 1966-69. Forgot most of the players but won my share and lost my share. Great straight pool action back then with a lot of good players throughout the area. Could be we may have played back then. The Golden Cue is about the only room remaining, that I am aware of, from that era.

Look forward to meeting you. I will be the one playing with the pained look on his face, waiting for my skills to return.

Jim
 
Dead Money players

cueball1950 said:
I apologize if the term Dead Money has offended anybody. it was not meant to do so. ...........mike
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I don't think the term should offend anybody. There are people that come to play and don't win and they donate their money to the tournaments but they have fun and maybe the next time they play they are a little bit better than they were at the last event. Dead Money only means they are the people that help support the tournaments by particapating and showing that they really enjoy the game. I guess you could say that I have a lot of Dead Money players in my tournaments but then again some of the Dead Money players from last year are in the money this year and they are still having fun......of course more fun now because they are winning money. :) . I know that you did not mean that term offensive but in a good manner.
Kay

BTW...I am one of the Dead Money players;)
 
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