Trouble gluing Moori

I had a problem bonding Moori tips with Quick Gel Superglue before Dennis Searing posted about priming the tip before installing. My method that always works is as follows; sand the glue side and apply Quick Gel and let it soak in for about 1 minute then (instead of glueing the tip to a ferrule) glue it to the glossy cover page of a magazine. Next, let the tip dry overnight attached to the magazine before removing the tip. When you remove the tip the back side will be white with attached paper. The tip is now ready to be sanded and Superglued to the ferrule.

Before I came up with this method I tried priming the tip and then letting it air dry, but air drying did not harden the glue. Attaching the tip to a magazine lets the glue harden for a good prime.
 
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I also prime the back of Moori tips. The glue dries almost immediately on them, so you need some way to slow that process.

1. I sand the back of them with 220 to flatten them.
2. I use Loctite #408 on them, applied to the back. I put a drop or two onto the center of the tip, then pivot the tip back and forth so the glue runs and is spread all over the back of the tip by gravity. This is the absolute thinnest Loctite and you won't find it in a hardware store. It gets absorbed right into the back of the tip.
3. I then put the shaft in the lathe and get its ferrule ready while the tip is air drying.
4. After a minute or two, I wipe off any of the Loctite #408 that has not dried from the back of the tip. Then I very lightly sand the back of the tip again, this time with 320. The tip is already flat at this time because of step #1. I'm just scuffing up the surface again.
5. Then I apply Loctite #454 to both the tip and ferrule and glue them together.

I only apply the Loctite #408 to Moori tips. I used to apply it to all tips, but I could see it just sat on the surface on the other tips. They just aren't anywhere near as porous as Moori tips, and hence don't have the same gluing issues that Moori tips do.
 
I use nothing but Moori III Medium on my cues and I change them with no
special tools, glues, or processes and haven't had any problems with glue
soaking in, not sticking well, or having a hollow feeling on the hit like there
are voids in the glue. And I sure don't like paying someone 40.00 for
something I can do myself. Yes I said 40.00.
First off I'm not telling anyone they are doing it wrong or that this is a
better way its just just what I do and it works for me. It surely
isn't for someone who has to get a bunch of shafts shipped before 3:00.

I use Loctite "Precision Max" Super Glue in the triangular bottle or a small
tube of Loctite Gel that I pick up at K-Mart or Home Depot. I don't prefer
the gel because the liquid flows between the tip and ferrule better I press
the tips in a 10" "C" Clamp because it has smooth mating surfaces
not like my vise which has teeth on the face of the jaws. 1/4 turn
after contact with the tip, 5 minutes later another 1/4 turn for 5 minutes.
1. I cut the old tip off as close to the ferrule as I dare with a razor knife.
Then I use a plastic silverware knife to scrape the rest of the tip off.
Its softer than the ferrule so it doesn't damage it using a little pressure.

2. I lay the shaft down on my desk with the ferrule sticking out over the edge
Using a piece of computer memory I wrap it with 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper.
I use this to sand the leftover, glue, or tip off the face of the ferrule.
The backside is smooth and its flexible enough so if you are not square
with the end you don't saw off one edge at an angle. If you go slow
and push it across the face and not sand back and forth you will be fine.

3. I take 100 or not more than 220 grit dry sandpaper and push the
tip, glue marked side down, back and forth until the ink is not visible.
Then I make two or three circles with it wipe it smooth with my thumb

4. Placing it on my desk glue side up, I take my old cotton t-shirt put a
little alcohol on it, and wipe the tip and the mating surface of the ferrule.

5. I put the super glue on the tip and put enough on to where you see
it sitting on the tip not where it just discolors the leather.

6. Holding the shaft vertical with both hands., ferrule side down,
I center up the shaft on the tip. Pressing it down real firm
in one smooth motion and leaning on it, keeping a lot of
weight pressing the shaft on the tip for 45-60 seconds.
I don't worry about the glue that squeezes out as I wipe it
towards the tip after I pick it up with a paper towel.

7. I usually lay it off to the side for about 10-15 minutes just to make
sure the glue has setup enough but don't always depending on how
big a hurry the wife is in to have me put my toys away.

8. I take a very large magnifying glass and check the joint all the way
around for a gap, thin space, or void between the tip and the ferrule.

9. I then change the blade in the razor knife. I do this each time I use
it on the tip. Blades are cheap. Holding the shaft vertically with the
tip down firmly against the desk, when I say firmly, I mean lean on i
pretty good. I then take the razor knife and trim the excess away from
the ferrule as close as possible without actually touching it. I cut
small "chunks" off as I rotate it. I do not saw around it in a circular motion.
Thats a sure fire way to cut a piece off your ferrule.

10.Once I get it trimmed back and looking like an "octagon" I take some
220 grit dry paper and knock the high spots off until I can just hook my
fingernail on the edge of the tip. Then I take 600 grit wet/dry and sand
it down until it just starts to touch the excess glue that squished out.
Next I take 1000 grit wet/dry and take it down flush and the glue is sanded
gently off the ferrule in a gentle circular motion it will and will half ass burnish it as well.

Take piece of old levi's, lick your fingers, and wet the sides, wrap the
piece of levi's around the tip and spin it back and forth until it stops squeaking.
When that happens the sides are polished and firm and once again
a perfect tip is completed.

It usually takes 20-30 minutes to do each one, not counting pressing it.
I have done maybe 8-10 like this and not one of them has popped off,
and no voids or bubbles between the ferrule and tip. they usually only
mushroom about a millimeter during the first game, I just sand
it down with some 1000 grit and use the Ultimate Tip Tool on it, and
I only have to hit it with a curved shaper from time to time to keep my dime shape.
The only thing I can figure is wiping the tip with the alcohol seals the
porous leather somehow and that keeps the glue from soaking in.

I have showed people at the pool hall how it turned out and
told them how I did it and had one guy call me a liar and a BS artist
because I couldn't get it that smooth and flush without a lathe.
Tomorrow I cut the Triangle tip off my wifes new cue and put a Moori
medium on it. This time I'm taking pictures.

So far I havent had a problem with doing it this way.
except the very first one I did and that was only because I didn't get
the shaft centered on the tip and it was hanging over one side and
had to cut it off and start over.
The attachment is my Mcdermott I2 and my Schuler.

Damn that was long winded! I can change the tips faster than it takes to read this long drawn out thing. :)
 

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BlindWizard said:
Dennis Searing posted about priming the tip before installing.

Never had an issue since following Dennis's excellent advice. I've often posted for people to use the "Searing method". That being said...I do prefer the new quicker setting Gorilla glue if time allows. No need to prime with the Gorilla.:)
 
I do tips for a lot of players including Ray Martin (Moori)
and I have always used Loctite gel. I rough up the bottom of the tip lightly with 100 grt., cover the surface with the gel, wait approx. 10 seconds, then put it on and keep pressure on it for 5 to 10 minutes. There is a little excess where the tip meets the ferrule that you must wipe off ASAP. Bottom line is, I honestly have never have a tip 'pop' off. This does not include the phenolic tips.
 
I hope you like hard tips. Soaking them in superglue is a sure-fire way to make the thing really hard.
I prime most tips with super-thin cyanoacrylate. Put on just enough to cover the bottom of the tip, then dab it with a tissue right away so it doesn't soak in too deep.
Also, keep your hand and fingers OFF of any surfaces to be glued. Oils from your skin are very detrimental to the bond.
 
Sheldon said:
I hope you like hard tips. Soaking them in superglue is a sure-fire way to make the thing really hard.
I prime most tips with super-thin cyanoacrylate. Put on just enough to cover the bottom of the tip, then dab it with a tissue right away so it doesn't soak in too deep.
Also, keep your hand and fingers OFF of any surfaces to be glued. Oils from your skin are very detrimental to the bond.




I wipe it off with a paper towel too, sometimes I may do it twice though. Not only does it harden the tip, but if you glob it on there, it is more of a PITA to sand flush, and fills your sand paper up quicker. You can use accelerator, but i don't see the need for going that thick in the first place. I have done it both ways, but that's the way I prefer to do them now.:)
 
Sheldon said:
I hope you like hard tips. Soaking them in superglue is a sure-fire way to make the thing really hard.
I prime most tips with super-thin cyanoacrylate. Put on just enough to cover the bottom of the tip, then dab it with a tissue right away so it doesn't soak in too deep.
Also, keep your hand and fingers OFF of any surfaces to be glued. Oils from your skin are very detrimental to the bond.


I use this method also and have never had a Moori pop off that I know of and I have installed around 500 Moori's over the past three years.
 
I use loctite 380 It is black though, and set it off with a generic hobby shop activator.
I also don't put alot of pressure on the tip while glueing. If you press too hard , no glue is left for the bond. Scuff with 80 git paper. Gives a good bite.
Neil
 
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