Try This Shot Ten Times
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My 7' Valley Bar Box has good rails and has simonis-like cloth and it's fairly quick. I have a friend who also has a 7' Valley Bar Box as his home table but his cloth is much slower and from experience from playing on his table I can say w/o a doubt it takes a little more punch on the shot to get the leave which may result in a slightly lesser % of success.
I'm sure this shot is easier on my table than a 9' table with tighter pockets but I would still expect to make the shot and get the leave at least 5 or 6 times out of ten trys. I've done this same type of shot on 9' tables before and I didn't have too much trouble getting the shot to go down and get the leave but I doubt I could get the shot down and get the leave more than 70-75% of the time.
I'm sure this shot is easier on my table than a 9' table with tighter pockets but I would still expect to make the shot and get the leave at least 5 or 6 times out of ten trys. I've done this same type of shot on 9' tables before and I didn't have too much trouble getting the shot to go down and get the leave but I doubt I could get the shot down and get the leave more than 70-75% of the time.
JoeyA said:The object is to make the eight ball by the long rail and go three rails with the cue ball to get shape on the nine ball.
You have to pocket the eight ball and get shape going three rails within the yellow triangle on the cuetable diagram below.
Out of ten tries, how many did you make?
What type of table and what size pockets did you try it on?
I can make this shot if I draw the cue ball with reasonable regularity but going three rails with the cue ball has not been very pleasant even with my newfound knowledge of the difference between high left and low left English.
Try it a few time to get warmed up and then start keeping score.
I would like to know the type of table that you attempted this shot on if you don't mind.
Thanks,
JoeyA
I just shot a shot very similar to that this weekend. Another case of a post shortly following something I experienced. I would have come around, except there was a ball mid table that I hit. It was a 1 out of 1 shot though. I will be on a table again on Wed and will see what I get. This would be tough in the room I play in, english does not take off the rails very well there.
What about the exact cue ball position? That makes a difference too. Is it exactly 1/2 diamond from the spot( doesn't look like it in the diagram)? If not, if you start with a ball right on the spot how many balls over is the cue ball?
Poolplaya9 said:
It's a little harder if the cue ball is placed 6" to the left of the head spot along the head string. You can place the cue ball directly on the head spot and it gets minutely easier. Either way, if you get above 50% I think you are doing awesome. The draw shot seems to be easier for the vast majority of players and that's how most would shoot it unless the lane is blocked.
How about those guys out in California where there is no humidity and balls easily slide in the hole even on year-old cloth?
JoeyA
I just learned this stroke a few months ago, took some practice to really get a feel for it. Now use this shot pretty often but it's usually when the ball is a lil closer to both the rail and the pocket. After practicing this specific stroke for awhile I'd say I execute successfully it at about 40%. (I practice on 9" Olio's (gold crown knockoffs)
Beware_of_Dawg said:
I think I could make it 40% of the time if I had 9" pockets to swing at.
j/k..
I think the shot is actually easier when it is closer to the rail, say 1/2 to one ball off of the rail. 40% seems to be a good number for 9 foot tables regardless of the pocket size. Thanks,
JoeyA
I have lost more $$$ on this shot than any shot in 9B, Earl fires it in at will, when I make it its pure luck, I cant see the the shot....period. I dont even have a referance point to correct myself from, I dont think this shot can be learned your born with it or you aint, my friend who started playing when I did was a C player fireing it in like nothing and he really couldnt play now he is the 5 ball better than me.
JoeyA:
I'm actually in a meeting right now.... not near a pool table, but I'll try to answer anyways. If your OB is fairly close to the rail, you can actually whip the CB forward by using draw. Using low inside with a little snap in your stroke can shoot the CB around better than follow. It's the left english that gets you there, not follow -- in my opinion. The low accentuates the left.
I'm at a conference room table, not a pool table-- so my answer is based on a quick look-see. Angle may not be right, don't know. Try 7:30 on the CB and stroke it well....see what happens. If I'm posting bad info - sorry in advance.
If someone reading this is doesn't have the best inside english stroke - forget it. Personally, I think it's easier to whip a little inside than force-follow. If you can pocket balls well this way, it's more predicable.
EDIT: By the way, this is in no way me giving you a lesson - it's just a suggestion. You're a much better player
I'm actually in a meeting right now.... not near a pool table, but I'll try to answer anyways. If your OB is fairly close to the rail, you can actually whip the CB forward by using draw. Using low inside with a little snap in your stroke can shoot the CB around better than follow. It's the left english that gets you there, not follow -- in my opinion. The low accentuates the left.
I'm at a conference room table, not a pool table-- so my answer is based on a quick look-see. Angle may not be right, don't know. Try 7:30 on the CB and stroke it well....see what happens. If I'm posting bad info - sorry in advance.
If someone reading this is doesn't have the best inside english stroke - forget it. Personally, I think it's easier to whip a little inside than force-follow. If you can pocket balls well this way, it's more predicable.
EDIT: By the way, this is in no way me giving you a lesson - it's just a suggestion. You're a much better player
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9ft Antique Brunswick, 4 9/16" pockets, 860 Simonis.
Pocketed OB and achieved position- 6 times
Pocketed OB and missed position - 3 times
Totally FUBAR - 1 time
Pocketed OB and achieved position- 6 times
Pocketed OB and missed position - 3 times
Totally FUBAR - 1 time
[cubc wrote] the slower the table the harder the shot.
Agreed, I think this is the major issue with the shot. A slower table causes the speed of stroke to be sufficiently forceful as to render the shot (as depicted) low percentage at best. Tight pockets run a close second.
Agreed, I think this is the major issue with the shot. A slower table causes the speed of stroke to be sufficiently forceful as to render the shot (as depicted) low percentage at best. Tight pockets run a close second.
60%
Joey,
I just completed my ten tries and was very surprised by the results. My very first attempt pocketed the ball but the cue ball barely made the second rail. My second attempt missed the pocket but got shape. I then told myself that I would shoot once more, for a total of three warm-up shots. The 3rd shot went and got shape.
Overall I made the ball 8 times and got shape on six of the 8. Looking at your diagram I would have thought that drawing the ball would be easier. Not true. I had to hit the shot much harder to draw to position, which was on the other side of the 9 ball. Very interesting results.
I have a 9' GCIII with Simonis 860; the pockets are 4 5/8". A little explanation on what I mean by 4 5/8". When two balls are placed side by side as deep into the pocket as possible and touching the pocket facing there is 1/8" gap between them. I use a 314 shaft on a custom butt. I don't believe that a 314 imparts more spin. I like the lower squirt characteristics. Even so, this shot required about 2 tips of LH English and 1 tip above center; my point of aim was almost 1 ball left of the contact point.
Paul Mon
Joey,
I just completed my ten tries and was very surprised by the results. My very first attempt pocketed the ball but the cue ball barely made the second rail. My second attempt missed the pocket but got shape. I then told myself that I would shoot once more, for a total of three warm-up shots. The 3rd shot went and got shape.
Overall I made the ball 8 times and got shape on six of the 8. Looking at your diagram I would have thought that drawing the ball would be easier. Not true. I had to hit the shot much harder to draw to position, which was on the other side of the 9 ball. Very interesting results.
I have a 9' GCIII with Simonis 860; the pockets are 4 5/8". A little explanation on what I mean by 4 5/8". When two balls are placed side by side as deep into the pocket as possible and touching the pocket facing there is 1/8" gap between them. I use a 314 shaft on a custom butt. I don't believe that a 314 imparts more spin. I like the lower squirt characteristics. Even so, this shot required about 2 tips of LH English and 1 tip above center; my point of aim was almost 1 ball left of the contact point.
Paul Mon
JoeyA said:The object is to make the eight ball by the long rail and go three rails with the cue ball to get shape on the nine ball.
You have to pocket the eight ball and get shape going three rails within the yellow triangle on the cuetable diagram below.
Out of ten tries, how many did you make?
What type of table and what size pockets did you try it on?
I can make this shot if I draw the cue ball with reasonable regularity but going three rails with the cue ball has not been very pleasant even with my newfound knowledge of the difference between high left and low left English.
Try it a few time to get warmed up and then start keeping score.
I would like to know the type of table that you attempted this shot on if you don't mind.
Thanks,
JoeyA
Joey did you miss this shot on a hill to hill game.
Next time look at drawing it side rail to side rail and shooting it in the other pocket.
On those buckets I'm gonna say something like 7 to 8 out of 10.
On those diamonds I'm gonna say something like 7 out of 10.
Maybe we found a shot to bet on next time you come over?
bsmutz said:It may just be me, but the verbiage says 2.5 balls off the rail and the diagram shows 1.5 balls off the rail.
I see what you are saying after looking at the diagram. It could be interpreted different ways. I wonder if there is a benchmark for this and where it is located.
JoeyA
Nine Ball said:Joey did you miss this shot on a hill to hill game.
Next time look at drawing it side rail to side rail and shooting it in the other pocket.
On those buckets I'm gonna say something like 7 to 8 out of 10.
On those diamonds I'm gonna say something like 7 out of 10.
Maybe we found a shot to bet on next time you come over?
Drawing the ball is EASY. It's the high left English that will humble YOU!.
The next time you are over here at Buffalo's, YOU HAVE ACTION.
(YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW IT with inside AND GET SHAPE TO WIN THE MONEY.)YOu have to show some heart and travel over here for one of our bi-monthly tournaments. I don't think you have what it takes to play on these Diamond tables....... Wait a minute you are pretty close to water too, aren't you. Well, no problem, if you can make 8 out of ten (WITH FOLLOW AND GET SHAPE) you win whatever you bet PLUS a Muffaletta.
If you make 7 out of ten same way, you get paid plus a Roast Beef Po-Boy.
If you only make six, I collect and still buy you lunch.
JoeyA
Aww heck, you're still on.
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Paul Mon said:
WOW! Good shooting. Maybe the lower deflection shafts have the right stuff or maybe you are simply a good shot. You have far better results than I do. My only excuse is that you cannot squeeze two balls side by side into the pockets. So I guess the table I am playing on is about 4 1/4" or 4 3/8" pockets.
That's a whole lot of squerve that you are getting with that low squirt cue. I'm not making fun of you or it, just that a whole ball is a lot of squirt. YOur results are nothing to laugh about. Kudos to you.
Thanks for chiming in.
JoeyA