Try This Shot Ten Times

[gulfportdoc]

I have lost more $$$ on this shot than any shot in 9B, Earl fires it in at will, when I make it its pure luck, I cant see the the shot....period. I dont even have a referance point to correct myself from...

FB, if you have a very low squirt shaft (like an OB-1), simply line up to make the ball; but when you've set up your high-left english, aim the cuestick right at the contact point on the object ball. If you end up overcutting the ball, then aim the shaft a little left of the contact point.

If, on the other hand, you have a normal shaft, then you just have to have a feel for the shot at that velocity.

Doc

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Joey:
This is a very difficult shot to make on tight pocket tables when applying high left English to get shape on the 9 ball.

I am also wondering if the guys who use the low deflection shafts will have better percentages of success. I'm not so sure.

I just hit it 7 out of 10 (shape 10 out of 10) on my 9-foot Diamond with 4.5" pockets and my teenytinytipped ultralowsquirt sissyboy cue, and I was shooting lazy - I'd do better on a good day.

I'm not trying to say I'm a great player; I'm pretty sure you play lots better than I do, Joey - I'm saying people have mental blocks about certain shots and have more trouble than they should with them. Could this be you with this shot?

I think the low squirt cue is a factor on shots like this, but mostly I think you just have to not be spooked by them and not try to overpower them. When I'm hitting the cue ball exactly where I want to, this shot doesn't seem to take much power at all.

The draw shot is easy enough too - I only tried it 4 or 5 times, but had no trouble with it.

pj
chgo

 

[JoeyA]

I just hit it 7 out of 10 (shape 10 out of 10) on my 9-foot Diamond with 4.5" pockets and my teenytinytipped ultralowsquirt sissyboy cue, and I was shooting lazy - I'd do better on a good day.

I'm not trying to say I'm a great player; I'm pretty sure you play lots better than I do, Joey - I'm saying people have mental blocks about certain shots and have more trouble than they should with them. Could this be you with this shot?

I think the low squirt cue is a factor on shots like this, but mostly I think you just have to not be spooked by them and not try to overpower them. When I'm hitting the cue ball exactly where I want to, this shot doesn't seem to take much power at all.

The draw shot is easy enough too - I only tried it 4 or 5 times, but had no trouble with it.

pj
chgo

I was hoping you would chime in Patrick. While I don't know your game, I have an idea how you play and its not too shabby. 7 out of 10 is GREAT, especially on a Diamond with 4 1/2" pockets.

That little sissy shaft of yours probably is what did the trick. Where do I buy one of those, at the tooth pick mill? j/k

Actually I wouldn't mind hitting some balls with a toothpick like that for comparisons sake AT LEASt.

I could be spooked anbd you're right about some people not being able to execute certain shots. I'm going to get some of our better shooters to the table in the near future.

Thanks,
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

FB, if you have a very low squirt shaft (like an OB-1), simply line up to make the ball; but when you've set up your high-left english, aim the cuestick right at the contact point on the object ball. If you end up overcutting the ball, then aim the shaft a little left of the contact point.

If, on the other hand, you have a normal shaft, then you just have to have a feel for the shot at that velocity.

Doc

So what's your score out of ten big boy?
JoeyA

 

[gulfportdoc]

So what's your score out of ten big boy?
JoeyA

You know how modest I am, Joey. I'd rather not brag...

Doc

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I was hoping you would chime in Patrick. While I don't know your game, I have an idea how you play and its not too shabby. 7 out of 10 is GREAT, especially on a Diamond with 4 1/2" pockets.

I just had them tightened up from 5+" and my local pool hall has bucket pockets so I haven't been able to play with good pockets for more than a year - I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't gone blind.

That little sissy shaft of yours probably is what did the trick. Where do I buy one of those, at the tooth pick mill?

Just duct tape some soda straws together.

Actually I wouldn't mind hitting some balls with a toothpick like that for comparisons sake AT LEASt.

Most players are spooked by it at first. Some of 'em don't even want to try it.

I could be spooked anbd you're right about some people not being able to execute certain shots. I'm going to get some of our better shooters to the table in the near future.

I'd like to hear about that. Nice thread.

pj
chgo

 

[Fatboy]

So what's your score out of ten big boy?
JoeyA

if your asking me on a Diamond probably 2-3 out of 10 if I get the CB the whole way around on a real good day perhaps 1 on a average day, maybe 4 if i hit it a bit softer but the CB will come up 5' short. this is my all time weakest shot.

Doc,
i have played around with different shafts and while they all feel different I never really noticed much difference from other shafts, except the OB-1(which put more juice on the rock than the others), the problem I just cant see the shot where to hit the OB-so it dosent matter shat shaft when you look down the cue and dont know where to hit the OB, i'm in the dark . I have had numerous players, pros. etc try and explain it to me and I just dont get it. Tang had me making the OB everytime but I couldnt get the CB to roll far enough, when I gave it more gas I would lose the OB and butcher the shot.

 

[jasonlaus]

Joey will be in your area in a month looking forward to meeting you. normal shaft all i can say is PIVOT ENGLISH this shot was made for it.

 

[Nine Ball]

MaBleua Sauce W/ Some Blip Nuggets

Drawing the ball is EASY. It's the high left English that will humble YOU!.

The next time you are over here at Buffalo's, YOU HAVE ACTION. (YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW IT with inside AND GET SHAPE TO WIN THE MONEY.)

YOu have to show some heart and travel over here for one of our bi-monthly tournaments. I don't think you have what it takes to play on these Diamond tables....... Wait a minute you are pretty close to water too, aren't you. Well, no problem, if you can make 8 out of ten (WITH FOLLOW AND GET SHAPE) you win whatever you bet PLUS a Muffaletta.

If you make 7 out of ten same way, you get paid plus a Roast Beef Po-Boy.

If you only make six, I collect and still buy you lunch.

JoeyA

Aww heck, you're still on.

Joey I got one name for you, Scotty Townsend..

I grew up watching and learning from him. We all know how Scotty loves to move the cue ball an X amount rails and used to do it as good as anyone.

My point was this shot is not a hard shot for me to do..... I hit inside shots with ease. Yeah Joey, I sure can't play on a diamond table.

If I lived closer I would come play your tournament there but I have no desire to ride 3 to 4 hours to come to it. I hardly play as it is because I don't have the love for the game the way I used to. Take all that for what ever you feel it's worth but it's the truth.

See you when I see you Joey.

 

[Nine Ball]

Just to add.. I understand this is a tough shot on a diamond.. I never claimed it to be a hanger.. To hit it 7 out of 10 on a diamond is a little strong but not impossible.. Over and out buddy..

 

[poolhustler]

I just gave it a go and I was successful (made 8 and got shape) 4 / 10 first try and 5 / 10 the second time. Kudos to anyone who can make that shot more than 7 /10 .......

My table is a 9' GCI, 860 Simonis, with Ernesto's 4" pockets.


Russ......

 

[stick8]

The object is to make the eight ball by the long rail and go three rails with the cue ball to get shape on the nine ball.

You have to pocket the eight ball and get shape going three rails within the yellow triangle on the cuetable diagram below.

CueTable Help

Out of ten tries, how many did you make?

What type of table and what size pockets did you try it on?

I can make this shot if I draw the cue ball with reasonable regularity but going three rails with the cue ball has not been very pleasant even with my newfound knowledge of the difference between high left and low left English.

Try it a few time to get warmed up and then start keeping score.

I would like to know the type of table that you attempted this shot on if you don't mind.

Thanks,
JoeyA

saw earl teaching same shot on tube,not that hard if you know proper english, the guy he was teaching didnt!!!!

 

[JoeyA]

I just had them tightened up from 5+" and my local pool hall has bucket pockets so I haven't been able to play with good pockets for more than a year - I'm pleasantly surprised that I haven't gone blind.



Just duct tape some soda straws together.



Most players are spooked by it at first. Some of 'em don't even want to try it.



I'd like to hear about that. Nice thread.

pj
chgo

Josh, you can't get any action on that shot. The window is closed. YOu should have posted the monnnnney.

I went in with a different attitude today and was able to pocket 14 out of 20. Normally when I shoot, I hold my eye on the contact point no matter where it is. What I learned is that EVERY time I looked at the contact point as I was shooting, I would miss. So...... I started looking at the edge of the ball which is where my cue stick was aiming. The results were far better than in the past.

Others in the pool hall had similar difficulties with the shot and while I didn't coax any of the best players to shoot it, a few B players did try it with mixed results. One young guy was four for five and had to leave. He acted nonplussed at my inability to do better as he and I gamble on occasion at nine ball with me coming out the winner more than 50% of the time.

Anyway, I think I have this shot down now where I can shoot it with confidence. BTW, I shot about 75 shots before I started keeping score and before I started aiming at the edge of the cue ball. (thanks pat)
I'm just a glutton for punishment. I don't think I will be afraid of this shot in the future and eventually it will be one which I own. Right now, I'm glad to have a reasonable 70% at the shot.

I appreciate everyone's feedback and will monitor the thread, putting anyone who doesn't get over 50% in my black book.

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

I just gave it a go and I was successful (made 8 and got shape) 4 / 10 first try and 5 / 10 the second time. Kudos to anyone who can make that shot more than 7 /10 .......

My table is a 9' GCI, 860 Simonis, with Ernestos 4" pockets.


Russ......

Way to go Russ. Nice shooting!
Wait a minute.... Ernestos.... that sounds Latin and that sounds like California.... yeah that's it, 4" pockets, cloth dry as a mammoth's bones.

GCI is the best playing table I have ever played on. You are a lucky man especially if it is set up right and rolls straight. The cue ball rolls forever on a GCI. I love em.

Now I have to see about spreading some REP around for all of the feedback I got. Thanks everyone!
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

saw earl teaching same shot on tube,not that hard if you know proper english, the guy he was teaching didnt!!!!

Stick, I think it was closer to this shot below:

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[JoeyA]

Joey will be in your area in a month looking forward to meeting you. normal shaft all i can say is PIVOT ENGLISH this shot was made for it.

Come visit me at Buffalo's, Jason.
JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

if your asking me on a Diamond probably 2-3 out of 10 if I get the CB the whole way around on a real good day perhaps 1 on a average day, maybe 4 if i hit it a bit softer but the CB will come up 5' short. this is my all time weakest shot.

Doc,
i have played around with different shafts and while they all feel different I never really noticed much difference from other shafts, except the OB-1(which put more juice on the rock than the others), the problem I just cant see the shot where to hit the OB-so it dosent matter shat shaft when you look down the cue and dont know where to hit the OB, i'm in the dark . I have had numerous players, pros. etc try and explain it to me and I just dont get it. Tang had me making the OB everytime but I couldnt get the CB to roll far enough, when I gave it more gas I would lose the OB and butcher the shot.

FAtboy, I have a bad aim as I was aiming at old Doc and trying to get in my digs on him.

Try holding your eyes on the edge of the object ball and aim there with your high left English (no pivot English). (Don't look at the contact point, especially at the last minute. It is the kiss of death. Just follow through like you were trying to touch the edge of the object ball with your tip. (Send $50 when you start making them) Aw heck, send it to Patrick, he deserves it more than me.
JoeyA

 

[Flex]

I was hoping you would chime in Patrick. While I don't know your game, I have an idea how you play and its not too shabby. 7 out of 10 is GREAT, especially on a Diamond with 4 1/2" pockets.

That little sissy shaft of yours probably is what did the trick. Where do I buy one of those, at the tooth pick mill? j/k

Actually I wouldn't mind hitting some balls with a toothpick like that for comparisons sake AT LEASt.

I could be spooked anbd you're right about some people not being able to execute certain shots. I'm going to get some of our better shooters to the table in the near future.

Thanks,
JoeyA

Ed Young can make one for you. If you'd like his number, send me a pm.

Flex

 

[Flex]

Anyway, I think I have this shot down now where I can shoot it with confidence. BTW, I shot about 75 shots before I started keeping score and before I started aiming at the edge of the cue ball. (thanks pat)

Joey, I'm really happy for you that you've got this shot down pat. As far as aiming at the edge of the cue ball, be advised that that specific aim point is working well for you with your cue and stroke and all of that stuff. When you switch tables, however, your results may not be the same. Slightly slower or faster cloth will change the amount of swerve on the cue ball, and you'll need to compensate perhaps differently, or maybe keep the same aim line but compensate by changing how much power you put into the shot. Also, different cue balls may require that you further adapt. Just think about a worn out, undersized red circle cue ball versus a new Centennial blue circle...

Flex

 

[Fleece3]

saw earl teaching same shot on tube,not that hard if you know proper english, the guy he was teaching didnt!!!!

Actually, that guy was me!!! It took me several attempts, however I did get it on the final shot. Now I can hit it 4 out of five times!!! Wanna play some?