Try This Shot Ten Times
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SpiderWebComm said:
That's part of what I'm saying must be the same.
I appreciate the thought, but I don't see how a video will show me anything - what happens is too subtle and too quick.
I don't know what you mean by "hitting square into the ball". If you mean with your stick parallel to the path you want the CB to take, then I think you're mistaken.
Yep, that's what I'm saying (point of contact + angle + speed).
pj
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BRKNRUN said:
I've found that when I have shot as you describe that I can eventually make it work, but that when I try to pull that off in an actual game that it doesn't work as well for me as the way I described up above. Basically, what I do for the calculating part of this shot is this: I find the contact point on the object ball if I were just shooting to roll the ball into the pocket, and take that as my base aiming line. Then I figure that if I'm going to shoot the shot with force follow how much I'll need to compensate for throw to pot the shot. Then I factor in if I'm going to shoot with english as well, and with a particular speed of shot with that english, figure out how much the cue ball will squirt and swerve for the table conditions, which include the speed of the cloth, the humidity (if it is a factor) and once this is in my mind, set up with as perfect a parallel positioning of my cue shaft aim line as possible, commit myself to the shot, make sure my alignment is correct, and get down on the shot. If something doesn't feel right, I stand back up and redo all this. Having done this umpteen times before, it goes pretty quickly, and it's taken way more time to write this than to actually execute this in my mind. Once I've decided what I want to do, all this may take just a few seconds to figure out. Then I get down on the shot, take my practice strokes and so on per my pre-shot routine, commit to and shoot the shot. Hopefully it works out....
Flex
Edit: Given that throw on the object ball changes depending on the speed of the cue ball when it strikes it, as well as whatever english is on the cue ball, as well as the angle of the shot, adjustments need to be made. I mentioned the aim line as if the shot were being made with force follow; if it's shot with draw, for instance, different adjustments are necessary. Golly, this is complicated
obviously, I'm very happy when I pull it off!
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BRKNRUN said:
Ken, I had another very good player set this shot up and he missed a few times in a row and then I suggested he try YOUR suggestion of planning to hit the titty going in and he made the shot three times in a row and was all smiles.
JoeyA
Joe T
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JoeyA's 3 rail shot in video
Better late than never. Didn't have a whole lot of time so its not my best video but I like it and its definitely more food for thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy2NdqBqww
Better late than never. Didn't have a whole lot of time so its not my best video but I like it and its definitely more food for thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Iy2NdqBqww
Joe T said:
Very nice, Joe. Thanks for your effort. It was superb.
I could easily take pool lessons from you. I forget where you are located but if we ever cross paths, please say hello and let's play a little pool.
For those who might be interested in taking lessons with you how do they get in touch with you besides this medium?
What type of cue/shaft do you play with as well as the taper and diameter of shaft if different than the original?
I have another shot that I will be posting shortly called the Robert Bajao. It is a straight in shot but you have to get three rail shape. It's wicked. Trust me.
I will be putting in a little more time on the JoeyA three railer with your thoughts in mind.
Thanks again.
JoeyA
Joe T
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JoeyA said:Very nice, Joe. Thanks for your effort. It was superb.
I could easily take pool lessons from you. I forget where you are located but if we ever cross paths, please say hello and let's play a little pool.
For those who might be interested in taking lessons with you how do they get in touch with you besides this medium?
What type of cue/shaft do you play with as well as the taper and diameter of shaft if different than the original?
I have another shot that I will be posting shortly called the Robert Bajao. It is a straight in shot but you have to get three rail shape. It's wicked. Trust me.
I will be putting in a little more time on the JoeyA three railer with your thoughts in mind.
Thanks again.
JoeyA
You're welcome. Predator with a Z2, just got a new one from them yesterday! I teach a small class once or twice a month in Providence RI. Maybe I'll steal a clue from joeyincal and switch my screen name to joeyinRI.
I have a 30 minute clip on squirt and applying side spin that I'll try to break up & post up in the near future that might help discussions like this but time is slim these days.
I'm like the commercial "Baseball, soccer, ballet, KARATE!"
You said you had a player doing this shot with just straight top? Was the cue ball really hooking and then going really long?
Joe T said:
One guy, using a slimmed down Z shaft used top only and the cue ball would come to the right head string diamond and try to go to the kitchen bottom middle diamond. (If that makes sense.
)The other shot is the ROBERT BAJAO shot that I'll post soon. It is a straight in shot using high left English. It's wicked, you'll see.
JoeyA
Joe T said:
First of thing we will never gamble, you are just to strong. I might have an interest in staking you sometime thought, i'm on your team.
Second that video is awesome and very thoughtful, as this has been the best thread on AZ in ALONG time. Thanks to JoeyA for starting it.
Third, I didnt say anything because I dont talk about some things much, sure I talk to much about BS. But I did work on this shot with Archer, specifically going 3 rails to the center diamond and he said "Just use a little bit of low, not to much and watch how Efren hits it to we both hit it the same" that is 100% his words to me. I didnt mention that before because I didnt have the goods to back up that statment and I dont talk about Johnny much-I never will. So I just kept my fat mouth shut and read all the posts.
Lastly I cant get up and play at all , I played for 5-6 minutes the past 2 days, I couldnt stand the pain or even line up right.
Again thanks to everyone for this thread, it is with out a doubt one of the best ever.
One more bump...for the most helpful thread EVAR.
Really,
(for me anyhow)
Really,
(for me anyhow)
Joe T said:
Joe,
I was also wondering if you changed your aiming point (even minutely) for either of the three ways you made this shot in your video. Thanks again for a great response and video. And also, did you use BHE, FHE or set up with English? (since you use one of those 11.75MM low deflection shafts)
For those interested, Joe Tucker has an advertisement on ONE of his products on the youtube link below. It is a DVD which guarantees improvement. As usual his details about his DVD are clear and concise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IAunOldAe4
JoeyA
Thunderball said:
I had just the opposite results...
I was potting balls like crazy the 2 or 3 weeks before this thread. Then I did this shot maybe 10 times or more and BAM! suddenly I couldn't make a shot. It was like I lost my precise and detailed aiming/sighting that had been with me so well. I started to use too much stuff on the ball and too hard and whatever. It all started with this shot.
Not blaming the thread or people here, just commenting how I screwed up my shot following this shot practice.
Jeff Livingston
Joe T
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JoeyA said:Joe,
I was also wondering if you changed your aiming point (even minutely) for either of the three ways you made this shot in your video. Thanks again for a great response and video. And also, did you use BHE, FHE or set up with English? (since you use one of those 11.75MM low deflection shafts)
For those interested, Joe Tucker has an advertisement on ONE of his products on the youtube link below. It is a DVD which guarantees improvement. As usual his details about his DVD are clear and concise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IAunOldAe4
JoeyA
I do change the aim slightly. For the high inside with my z2 I actually aim a hair on the thinner side because I try to keep that stroke smooth and I feel it gives it more time to swerve in and with the middle or low inside it would be a hair on the full side.
Thanks for the youtube plug, I'm shying away from the youtube and trying to start pool off on the right foot with www.howcast.com and (hint hint) the more subscribers I get there the better off we'll be and the more free lessons I can put up.
All comments & subsciptions appreciated.
The rail workout is up there which has a 3 rail with inside section and I believe it's an absolute must for any serious players, I can almost guarantee after just one 1hr workout you'll feel improvement.
Joe T said:I do change the aim slightly. For the high inside with my z2 I actually aim a hair on the thinner side because I try to keep that stroke smooth and I feel it gives it more time to swerve in and with the middle or low inside it would be a hair on the full side.
Thanks for the youtube plug, I'm shying away from the youtube and trying to start pool off on the right foot with www.howcast.com and (hint hint) the more subscribers I get there the better off we'll be and the more free lessons I can put up.
All comments & subsciptions appreciated.
The rail workout is up there which has a 3 rail with inside section and I believe it's an absolute must for any serious players, I can almost guarantee after just one 1hr workout you'll feel improvement.
Just went up to the howcast site and watched the inside/rail drill. AWESOME!
I have been lucky enough to have studied with some of the great instructors/players and just want to say that you are the real deal sir.
I would suggest that all who go to that drill and others you have posted, pay attention not only to the drill you are describing but your stroke mechanics which are a thing of beauty.
Very precise...highly repeating with a virtually identical home position and follow thru length regardless of the pace of the shot.
I attempted to measure your follow thru length and it appears to be about a ball width beyond the front edge of the CB so call it 4.5 inches total and yet you pounded some of the shots.
I am now officially a Tuckerite and will be watching all your on-line videos as well as purchasing your DVDs.
Sorry to be so late in "discovering" you! (mostly sorry for me)
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Jim