OK. You win !! Free TZAR tip coming to your door. PM your address and I will send out. No catch. Give it a try and then provide an honest review back on this thread. You in?I have not found a layered tip I like and keep coming back to the Triangle. But they were hit and miss it seemed. Had one installed a week ago and it was so hard it would not take chalk at all. Sounded like a bat hitting a brick thud. Then went back the next had another one installed it played fine. The triangle cost me $10 bux to get installed but bad part is is cost $20 bux in gas to drive up there. Garczar has been telling me about Thorobred tips. Want to try them.