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[CMD]

WOW, Miss a couple days, and miss a lot.

Although I can't condone the bickering on either side, I will say that Roger is VERY passionate to say the least. His english, really isn't the best, and with such a passionate person, he sometimes looses his cool. Maybe I read Roger's post toward Rusty a little different, but it seemed to me like he wanted to compare cases in good spirits at first. It was until prodded a bit that things went south, fast. I'm guessing Rusty would be willing to do a side by side comparison as long as it's done in good spirits I see nothing wrong with it. I'd love to see a side by side done of all the major builders. JB, Jack Justice, Rusty, It's George, Volturi, etc. I've been thinking it would be fun to do with cues too! I'm always up for product comparison, maybe we could put something together at SBE?

Roger really is just sharing his work. He is offended maybe a little to easily, but as this is the internet, and posts do get mis-interpreted. You will just have to take my word that Roger TRULY is the best kind of people. He is one of the most pleasant and passionate people I have ever met.

It is my opinion that Volturi does create the best case out there. It is a biased opinion, but I can say after approaching several builders with my ideas, and walking away from several for many different reasons, I ended up with a Volturi case. That's why I say it's the best, it's what I chose to get when picking a case.

As to the construction techniques out there, and products offered I have to say that any GOOD builder out there is constantly improving their products and finding inspiration from several different sources. I think JB and Volturi have the right idea with their padded interiors. They are different but have the same principle in mind. I didn't try to squeeze the top of a JB case but just tried to do so to my case and I couldn't. (Volturi 3x6) I'm sure JB cases are similar. I would say that of all the cases out there there these are head and shoulders above the rest right now.

I have owned upward of 20 different cases in 4 years, and I can say I have had things I would change about every single one. I think you will always have a compromise of one form or another with a case, (as with most every thing.) When I went shopping for my case, I took a lot of things into consideration when buying. The number one concern over every thing else was protection. JB and Volturi do it better than every one else out there hands down!

All of the above is my opinion and your's may be different than mine. FWIW, I would like to add, that I regularly carry $5000+ cues in mine, with no worry of protection.

best,

Justin

Do you have a case on order with him?



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[jhanso18]

Do you have a case on order with him?



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I already have one. I have another coming.

I didn't intend for that to be a hidden fact or anything. I will openly admit I have a biased opinion of Roger's cases and Roger. I know Roger better than the random poster on AZ, and he is a good person. He made some less that tasteful statements, and That is because he is so passionate. It is easy to lose your cool if you feel like your being put on the spot. I just wanted to bring a different light to the situation.


I do agree with JB though, I prefer to read about the differences in design and construction. I also like the idea of bench racing different builders, much in the same way that we would two players. It would be awesome if we could keep the conversation reasonable, and in good taste.


best,

Justin

 

[Maik]

Full agreement to this!
I know by myself, because my english is also far away from good,it s easy in internet to come n trouble because misunderstandig in Little things...also i ve got Lot of contact to Roger,always he is kindful and honest to me.asking me what can be better on his cases, shows me,he is willing to improve every time there is a reason for ( i saw nothing on my case,what he can do better,so i ordered more Cases from him, for myself and friends of mine) and i wouldn t have done this,if there is something wrong,with the cases or the builder .so,please, all Calm down and back to the topic of this thread (because i m interested in)
Greets from cold germany,Maik

 

[CMD]

I already have one. I have another coming.

I didn't intend for that to be a hidden fact or anything. I will openly admit I have a biased opinion of Roger's cases and Roger. I know Roger better than the random poster on AZ, and he is a good person. He made some less that tasteful statements, and That is because he is so passionate. It is easy to lose your cool if you feel like your being put on the spot. I just wanted to bring a different light to the situation.


I do agree with JB though, I prefer to read about the differences in design and construction. I also like the idea of bench racing different builders, much in the same way that we would two players. It would be awesome if we could keep the conversation reasonable, and in good taste.


best,

Justin

He brought everything and anything upon himself. He is an adult responsible for his words and actions. There is no "different light" that needs to be shed. He said what he said.

His cases can be the very best in the world, but if he can't control his own emotion no one will care.

He is the one who derailed this and every other thread because " he is passionate" as you say.



Maybe this forum is not the right avenue for him?

 

[jhanso18]

He brought everything and anything upon himself. He is an adult responsible for his words and actions. There is no "different light" that needs to be shed. He said what he said.

His cases can be the very best in the world, but if he can't control his own emotion no one will care.

He is the one who derailed this and every other thread because " he is passionate" as you say.



Maybe this forum is not the right avenue for him?

This may be the case. It wouldn't be the first person who didn't come off as themselves on an internet forum. This thread is certainly not an accurate depiction of who Roger really is.

Either way, this thread would be better suited if the mod's would clean out the garbage, and get back to the discussion at hand. John did start a really interesting thread, one that I think would create quite a heated discussion on it's own.

not sure if that can be done, but if it can't it would be nice to see this one locked, and start a new one. I am interested to hear a discussion from the forum on what we as consumers, and the different builders feel is a better design and why.

best,

Justin

 

[CMD]

This may be the case. It wouldn't be the first person who didn't come off as themselves on an internet forum. This thread is certainly not an accurate depiction of who Roger really is.

Either way, this thread would be better suited if the mod's would clean out the garbage, and get back to the discussion at hand. John did start a really interesting thread, one that I think would create quite a heated discussion on it's own.

not sure if that can be done, but if it can't it would be nice to see this one locked, and start a new one. I am interested to hear a discussion from the forum on what we as consumers, and the different builders feel is a better design and why.

best,

Justin

If you truly want a civilized conversation on this or any other case topic, than maybe you should ask your friend/case maker to stay out of it.

John did start another good thread but it was derailed... Again.

This has become the pattern on this site too frequently. It's a shame because we the true members of this forum love to learn about what is our passion.

If your friend/case maker wants respect... He needs to first give respect.




BTW - JB, I'm lovin' that case in your signature.

 

[Big-Tattoo]

Chris,
hmmmm if I remember correctly YOU wanted also clear your Thread about your Szamboti with Don......
one day I get your Searing:wink:
Ralf

 

[tattoo]

I honestly think ur just an idiot ... I might be banned for saying this zz but I don't care... ur a nitt

sir i dont have a dog in this cue case fight.....but one thing i can promise youguy is one of the best and nicest people on this fourm. enough said...

 

[CMD]

Chris,
hmmmm if I remember correctly YOU wanted also clear your Thread about your Szamboti with Don......
one day I get your Searing:wink:
Ralf

Ralf, what does Don not replying to any of my communications on a Gus Szamboti have anything to do with this guy constantly fighting with well respected members of this forum? I never asked for that thead to be deleted. Never. I also never disrespected Don in that thread. Never. It was not my fault he chose to ignore me. It was his. And that thread grew to be enormous.



Which Searing of mine are you referring to? I have more than one...

 

[JB Cases]

This may be the case. It wouldn't be the first person who didn't come off as themselves on an internet forum.

I am definitely not the same person on the forum and off. Off the forum I am a pyscho killer and on it I am a nice guy. ;-)

BTW - JB, I'm lovin' that case in your signature.

I have already gotten several requests to do something similar and I have to tell them all sorry Chris got the last of that leather. Just for you though I will leave it up in case I change the sig later.

This is my favorite part of your case.

 

[Devilish48]

BTW - JB, I'm lovin' that case in your signature.

I guess it's a good thing I didn't use my usual screen name when I started here.. instead of Devilish, it's usually, "CMDevilish", which gets me called CMD a lot. When I saw your screen the first time, I was thinking "What the hell??" =) And, of course, both of our first names are Chris, so I was wondering who was masquerading as me =)

Chris

And John.. please continue the original discussion. I really love hearing from cue and case makers about the different styles they use, and why.

 

[JB Cases]

And John.. please continue the original discussion. I really love hearing from cue and case makers about the different styles they use, and why.

Yeah sure, I didn't really have much more to say about it. I guess I cold talk about butterflies and soft cases and what I have done on those.

I mean basically for me it really does come down mostly to keeping the cues snug and secure no matter what type of interior is used.

I have often told the story about Jerry Olivier wanting to show me a really nice cue he had just given to a great player. He took me over to the player and the player had a case with a nylon interior where all the parts were below the cavity openings. So he had to tip the case to get the parts up enough to get them out. Well all the cue parts started coming out at once and all three of us grabbed for the cue and of course none of us caught it.

That brand new cue now had a real nice ding and a chip in it. I took the guy back to my booth and gave him a Sterling case and said well at least he won't ever have that happen again.

I try to engineer the compartments so that the cues are easy to remove and yet stay snug when stored.

 

[CMD]

I guess it's a good thing I didn't use my usual screen name when I started here.. instead of Devilish, it's usually, "CMDevilish", which gets me called CMD a lot. When I saw your screen the first time, I was thinking "What the hell??" =) And, of course, both of our first names are Chris, so I was wondering who was masquerading as me =)

Chris

Then I probably would have used CMD2569, which is what I use on other forums. Those are my initials and then my birth date.

No masquerading going on here...

I have already gotten several requests to do something similar and I have to tell them all sorry Chris got the last of that leather. Just for you though I will leave it up in case I change the sig later.

This is my favorite part of your case.

I absolutely love the case and often get approached when out and about. I'd love to buy the 2x4 that this was based from.


I think that is my favorite part as well. The antique bronze is gorgeous. Comic sans is my favorite font. I use it everywhere I can.


See ya in a few weeks!

 

[erriep]

So that's my take on the interiors. We never stop improving them though. As well we customize to any need as we recently did for a customer in France who wanted one interior type for his pool cues and another for his carom cues with rubber grips. We sent him one case with two interiors and he reported back that both worked perfectly.

oh yes, i confirm than both interiors work perfectly ! Even -i must say- when your "standart" interior is already good for rubber or silicon wrapped butts. (and it's Instroke-compatible , tested, mehh i had to resist to offers for the extra interior hehe).
I have to thank you again, John. Not only for the extra interior, but for its vinyl case which is used atm . I know, i know, time is missing for the communication, but the products are very, very, very good.

About the butterfly case itself , the kind of reinforcement panels in the main front/back sides make the case much stiffer than it looks, in fact. Excellent protection, an evidence when i compare to the usual butterfly i can see around (laperti/adam/buffalo usually) . Wasn't a surprise for me, but everybody who seen the case was amazed by the level of quality. Now, i must take care of it, not only in the poolroom, but when i walk in downtown... Beautyfull case, with unusual players & a bunch of shafts inside. ...

My next 2 JB cases would be one double & versatile set , another Chris10x20 case + another butterfly 4x8 , with compatible interiors + something i forgot in the last order : 47cm sleeves with velcro, to fix masse shafts in the extra space of the main interior (between the 2 butts section and/or at the external side)
make it versatile, pal . you see what i mean, john ?
John, when you'll have a spot/window in your produce chain , we should find a date...

Speaking of tubular protection , a good example : some pics of your JB 10x20 case, to show it again. I got mine from Chady , i use it to store my players & shafts . I need one more for some closet queens . ,
(the pics are from JB's site) :

erriep

 

[ronscuba]

For myself, I chose my custom butterfly leather carved case more for the artistry and design than for protection.

Most cases I have seen protect the cues adequately for my uses. Choosing a case is mostly what looks good and holds what I need.

 

[Devilish48]

Then I probably would have used CMD2569, which is what I use on other forums. Those are my initials and then my birth date.

No masquerading going on here...

I was (I know you know, Chris, but just for others) just playing. I have used Devilish since the days of Bulletin Boards Systems (prior to AOL.. yes, I'm old), and the reason I switched to CMDevilish was due to others using Devilish. And I have done the same thing as you, Chris.. added number to the end (usually my age at the time, such as the 48 when I started here). There are a LOT of people named Chris here, so that wouldn't have worked either. And if I were to have gotten that case, it would have been "CRM" =) And a great looking case it is!

Chris

 

[JB Cases]

For myself, I chose my custom butterfly leather carved case more for the artistry and design than for protection.

Most cases I have seen protect the cues adequately for my uses. Choosing a case is mostly what looks good and holds what I need.

This is exactly the point I was making in my first post. Most cases work fine as long as the user adapts to the limits of the case. The more protective it is the less you careful you need to be.

The only thing I caution is that sometimes the interior is actually made wrong and will harm the cue. You can find examples of that in the collected stories above. The consumer rarely gets to see what's below the surface and so they don't really know how well or how badly the interior is made.

Interestingly through, I do offer Butterfly cases with plastic shells on the sides for more protection. I haven't really publicized this but for a few clients I have cut our tubes in half and inserted them into the sides of Butterfly and Mason models to give the cues more protection from impact and compression.

 

[Big-Tattoo]

yes, John told me that long time ago:thumbup:
hope to get mine soon
Ralf

 

[JB Cases]

I just posted this in another thread and I think it has relevance here. Our resident genius cue maker Thomas Wayne had this to say about cases way back in the early 2000s.

"On occasion a thread gets started regarding the "top" list of
cuemakers and who they might be. For the most part I've stayed out of
those discussions, but when I have weighed in, I've pretty much stuck
to my fundamental belief – that when you reach the upper level of the
upper level of the top floor in ANY pursuit, the "A" list is usually
just too close to rank. That's why I don't believe there is, or ever
can be a clearly defined 'best' cuemaker.

That being said, John Collins and I have known each other for many
years, and there are lots of little personal and business issues that
we (frankly) don't agree on, sometimes passionately. But I have
watched his products evolve and grow both in style and quality over
the years, and I have to say that there really is none better. Now
that is not to say that John's products are specifically "the best",
but rather that they are so good as to be in that ranking that defies
further ranking.

In my never-humble opinion, one mark of success in your field is when
you are copied and imitated by the 'knock-off artists'. This is a
sure indication that you have developed a product that stands out. In
the field of cue cases, I've noticed a small group of makers who have
been mercilessly ripped off over the years. That short list is:

Fellini (now defunct)
Joe Porper
Jack Justis
Dan Whitten
Instroke (John Collins)

Interestingly enough, each of these makers seems (to me) to have a
particular area of excellence that makes their product worthy of
owning – and desirable for the product thieves to copy. Skipping the
long-gone Fellini, those qualities are:

Joe Porper – Joe invented the closed-cell foam cored case and has
consistently produced one of the finest, most durable and protective
(not to mention affordable) cases ever made. I have watched him
continually devise new and improved versions of his original classic
design, and his latest all-leather 2×4, with its patented top closure
is, IMO, world class stuff.

Jack Justis – one of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet, Jack has
consistantly built some of the most beautiful and downright pretty cue
cases I've ever seen. His devotion to quality materials, meticulous
attention to detail and masterful leather work remain unmatched in
this arena.

Dan Whitten – Like his peers, Dan's devotion to quality materials and
clean workmanship results in a product that impressively stands out in
any crowd. Pretty much every casemaker offers various accessory
pouches, handles, shoulder straps and other doodads, and Dan is no
exception to that practice. But his benchmark product, for my taste
at least, is his classic 1×2, no handles, pouches or other
whatchamacallits. Sleek and streamlined, easy to grab in one hand,
this basic frontrunner just oozes simple ellegance. Even decked out
in a Nicole Miller tux and Italian shoes, carrying my black leather
Whitten makes me feel just a bit underdressed.

John Collins – John's stuff is okay too.

Alright already, just a little poke in the ribs there.
Actually, the Instroke cases, from John Collins, are some of the most
original and innovative creations I've ever seen. His very original
eye for design and practicality have led the field, and thus spawned
more than his share of imitators. I am proud to have a few of his
cases – as well as every maker mentioned here – and I know first hand
they are as good as it gets.

'Nuff said.

Now, John, if I could just get you to pull yor head out of your ass
long enough to see everything ELSE my way, we'd get along great…" - Thomas Wayne

Gee thanks Thomas. Was nice of you to give us your opinion back then and it's still just as valid today.

 

[RADAR]

john barton your pms is full!