Tuck and Roll

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Somewhere between 20 - 25 years ago I was in a pool room and there was an old guy at a table knocking balls around by himself. What I noticed was he very rarely missed. So, I asked him if he wanted to just beat some balls around together and he said "sure".

We played 8-ball and I was getting waxed every game. Luckily no money was involved, and it was all for fun since he would have busted me because his ball making was incredibly accurate. I noticed that he did something with his hand on every shot except straight ins, so I asked him what it was and why he did it. He didn't use the words "tuck and roll", and at that stage of my life I never heard about it or knew what it was.

But what he said was on straight in shots, he aimed center CB to COB to center pocket and kept his right wrist straight and locked with the back of his hand. On cuts to the right, he still aimed CCB to COB but on the take away in the backstroke he turned the back of his hand so it faced toward the ceiling. And on cuts to the left, he still aimed CCB to COB but on the take away in the backstroke he turned his hand so the back of his hand faced towards the floor and his wrist was bowed out. I had no idea what the hell he was talking about and thought he was pulling my leg. He then said on more severe cuts he does the same thing but aims for a 1/2 ball alignment and then uses the hand and wrist.

I didn't try any of it there but did remember it and gave it a good hard workout and learned how to do it once I got a table of my own some years later.

THAT was the real definition of "FEEL". To be able to manipulate your hand and wrist the right amount to get the tip and shaft orientation in just the right position and angle to pocket angled cut shots. Not guessing with the eyes going back and forth for some imaginary fraction or contact point. It's referred to as aiming by "feel", but it's really not tactile which is what "feel" is.
Btw, his position play was extremely accurate, well played and a part of it.

Don't knock it until you try it.
 
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Somewhere between 20 - 25 years ago I was in a pool room and there was an old guy at a table knocking balls around by himself. What I noticed was he very rarely missed. So, I asked him if he wanted to just beat some balls around together and he said "sure".

We played 8-ball and I was getting waxed every game. Luckily no money was involved, and it was all for fun since he would have busted me because his ball making was incredibly accurate. I noticed that he did something with his hand on every shot except straight ins, so I asked him what it was and why he did it. He didn't use the words "tuck and roll", and at that stage of my life I never heard about it or knew what it was.

But what he said was on straight in shots, he aimed center CB to COB to center pocket and kept his right wrist straight and locked with the back of his hand. On cuts to the right, he still aimed CCB to COB but on the take away in the backstroke he turned the back of his hand so it faced toward the ceiling. And on cuts to the left, he still aimed CCB to COB but on the take away in the backstroke he turned his hand so the back of his hand faced towards the floor and his wrist was bowed out. I had no idea what the hell he was talking about and thought he was pulling my leg. He then said on more severe cuts he does the same thing but aims for a 1/2 ball alignment and then uses the hand and wrist.

I didn't try any of it there but did remember it and gave it a good hard workout and learned how to do it once I got a table of my own some years later.

THAT was the real definition of "FEEL". To be able to manipulate your hand and wrist the right amount to get the tip and shaft orientation in just the right position and angle to pocket angled cut shots. Not guessing with the eyes going back and forth for some imaginary fraction or contact point. It's referred to as aiming by "feel", but it's really not tactile which is what "feel" is.

Don't knock it until you try it.

Put it on the Aiming forum so the experts can do a thorough analysis.
 
Put it on the Aiming forum so the experts can do a thorough analysis.
I can't since being banned from the aiming forum. It can stay here because it produces another factor that goes along with it besides aiming and can be discussed.
You don't know?
 
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I can't since being banned from the aiming forum. It can stay here because it produces another factor that goes along with it besides aiming and can be discussed.
You don't know?

Oh come on now. Feel is too subjective, my opinion is there has to be some component of CTE involved here.

Your ban didn't have anything to do with not having a sense of humor, did it?
 
Oh come on now. Feel is too subjective, my opinion is there has to be some component of CTE involved here.

Your ban didn't have anything to do with not having a sense of humor, did it?
It has nothing to do with CTE.

Your posts have nothing to do with the fact you have limited pool knowledge and have no clue what I'm talking about, doesn't it?
 
Must be cuz all the experts got banned for no sense of humor.
Based on all of your inane posts in the Matt Sherman threads and now here, you should be banned for being the ACE #1 troll and troublemaker on AZ. I'd LMAO and really show my sense of humor. Not only that, but you can't even read and comprehend.

The answer is in the title of the thread. You have no clue what it means. Get outta here and stay out of my thread! You're getting reported on the next one.
 
buddy hall had a video on this when i started playing. it was no good to me, and doesn't make much sense either, but different strokes for different folks i guess
 
I don’t see anything imaginary about fraction or contact point . On the thin cuts you’re using fractions for ‘half ball hit’ and your eyes would still go back and forth from CB to COB, 1/2 ball or whatever
 
THAT was the real definition of "FEEL". To be able to manipulate your hand and wrist the right amount to get the tip and shaft orientation in just the right position and angle to pocket angled cut shots. Not guessing with the eyes going back and forth for some imaginary fraction or contact point. It's referred to as aiming by "feel", but it's really not tactile which is what "feel" is.
"Feel" in pool is not tactile - it's when your alignment "feels" right to your mind based on past experience.

"Feeling" when your wrist is cocked just the right amount is "guessing" just as much as any other kind (probably more).

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