Turning Stone

Match times are as follows:
Saturday Jan. 10 at 10am, Noon, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm & 10pm. Sunday Jan. 11 at 11am, 1pm, 3pm, 5pm & 7pm
 
jeephawk said:
I picked a match at random to watch before, during and after dinner just for something to do. It was Ed Culhane and Dwight Dixon. While it was on I looked up what I could find out about each - made it a little more interesting. Culhane was really inconsistent, Dixon pretty much handled the match easily. I just enjoyed watching players for a bit that are a lot more relatable to how I play (but I don't compete, not in the arena, so to speak) and "seeing" things I through they were seeing, understanding how things went wrong and from Culhane's side of things, surprised how often he seemed to be hitting balls too hard and how off his position play was and probably just off in general that particular match - not criticizing, just observing and no doubt either would own my house shortly after I invited them to dinner if we went downstairs after and played, haha.

Totally different, but I watching one of those vids of APA finals from some random year and all levels of players, but man, some of the ones with higher numbers would have had a tough time winning in the bars we played at in my youthful university days. Just an observation, maybe watching those for some who don't have a lot of confidence in their games or don't know how they "stack up" would be a good way to see where they fit. Looked like a lot of fun, though, and that should be the point of it. Know someone who plays a lot of APA around here and he really enjoys it - I'm too old to be hanging around bars playing pool on the one crappy coin operated table with much younger folks - that ship sailed about the time I got married and sunk when we had kids. But if leagues had been more of a thing when I was in college, I'd have been all in --only issue is I used to buy a pack of Camel straights to enjoy when playing pool -- stupid, but loved the purple haze -- one thing I'm glad I gave up 30+ years ago.
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Lsd and pool is an interesting combination
 
Watching Randy Labonte - reading up, he is apparently a HOF player in NE U.S. Seems like quite a few "vintage" guys playing and just from his attitude at the table, looks to be a fun guy to have a match with. Some work to do if he wants to win this one, but it's close.
 
straightline said:
Too much collusion in place.?
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Collusion?? You talking players or organizers? TS and DCC are both basically pro/ams. TS's field has gotten weaker by the year and MR doesn't like the buyback format at Derby. Toss in some scheduling conflicts and that's that. Don't think collusion is any issue here.
 
I had rather watch "fast and loose" players who miss every so often than world beaters who take forever to shoot and play safeties all the time because the current table setups are too tight.

Missing with "flair" and "daring" is more entertaining than watching up and down, up and down, walk around, up and down, up and down, air stroke, get down, shoot.
 
HawaiianEye said:
I had rather watch "fast and loose" players who miss every so often than world beaters who take forever to shoot and play safeties all the time because the current table setups are too tight.

Missing with "flair" and "daring" is more entertaining than watching up and down, up and down, walk around, up and down, up and down, air stroke, get, down, shoot.
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The tighter the wickets the worse it gets. Making the target smaller just makes the game slower/duller. it turns into safety filled 'cinch pool'. give me aggressive 'go for it' play on bigger pockets ANY day.
 
garczar said:
The tighter the wickets the worse it gets. Making the target smaller just makes the game slower/duller. it turns into safety filled 'cinch pool'. give me aggressive 'go for it' play on bigger pockets ANY day.
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What is funny about it is that 90%, or more, of the fans who can't run the balls 90% of the time are the ones clamoring that the tables should be tighter.

If you have never ran multi-packs of 9-ball on a normal table, you don't need a tighter table...you just need to extend the number of games in a match if you think the game is too easy.

And the same people who claim that the breaks don't matter are the same people who advocate against winner breaks.

Go figure.
 
garczar said:
Collusion?? You talking players or organizers? TS and DCC are both basically pro/ams. TS's field has gotten weaker by the year and MR doesn't like the buyback format at Derby. Toss in some scheduling conflicts and that's that. Don't think collusion is any issue here.
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The money crowd. Assuming they're into money and all...
 
HawaiianEye said:
What is funny about it is that 90%, or more, of the fans who can't run the balls 90% of the time are the ones clamoring that the tables should be tighter.

If you have never ran multi-packs of 9-ball on a normal table, you don't need a tighter table...you just need to extend the number of games in a match if you think the game is too easy.

And the same people who claim that the breaks don't matter are the same people who advocate against winner breaks.

Go figure.
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I remember the standard set used to be races to 11 winner breaks all over the country.

Then slowly

The pockets got tighter and tighter

The races got shorter and shorter

The games got longer and longer.

🤷🏻‍♂️😞
 
stevelomako said:
I remember the standard set used to be races to 11 winner breaks all over the country.

Then slowly

The pockets got tighter and tighter

The races got shorter and shorter

The games got longer and longer.

🤷🏻‍♂️😞
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This is still attributable to the fat jockheadfirst culture. Play to win like maha said.
IOW few even try to improve their accuracy and never will - try_ or_ improve. Thankfully equipment specs have tightened considerably anyway.
 
stevelomako said:
I remember the standard set used to be races to 11 winner breaks all over the country.

Then slowly

The pockets got tighter and tighter

The races got shorter and shorter

The games got longer and longer.

🤷🏻‍♂️😞
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And then the "air stroking" rage came into being and the "surveying" and stalling started.

People walking around the table measuring, looking at every angle and then air stroking dozens of times, getting up, getting down, getting up again, surveying some more....etc, etc, etc.........

People would have laughed you out of the pool hall if you did that back when I grew up playing.

I have played for decades and ran thousands of racks and have NEVER, EVER, spent 5 minutes looking at a ball or surveying, no matter what game we were playing or how much it was for.

It pains me to watch most tournaments now.
 
HawaiianEye said:
And then the "air stroking" rage came into being and the "surveying" and stalling started.

People walking around the table measuring, looking at every angle and then air stroking dozens of times, getting up, getting down, getting up again, surveying some more....etc, etc, etc.........

People would have laughed you out of the pool hall if you did that back when I grew up playing.

I have played for decades and ran thousands of racks and have NEVER, EVER, spent 5 minutes looking at a ball or surveying, no matter what game we were playing or how much it was for.

It pains me to watch most tournaments now.
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Who 'm I but air shooting the shot does work. Any alignment error is immediately evident and you can adjust that until it locks in. This is not mere air stroking in some cool pose but air rehearsing the shot until you can't miss it.
 
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