Two Different Shots, Yet the Same

AtLarge said:
mohrt, I cannot confirm that your rule of thumb is the universal explanation for how CTE/ProOne works to produce different cut angles for two shots with the same visuals, same pivot, and same CB-OB distance. But I can confirm that it is different eye positions that Stan said was the explanation two years ago (as I said early today in the post I quoted from two years ago).
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The 2 shots from DVD1 are the same. There is no manipulation of the eyes to make the 2 shots work.

2 objective perceptions for (CTE and C) and a 1/2 tip left pivot for each. And yes, one is at a zero angle and the other is a cut shot.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Here are three other options for the shot in question using Pro One visuals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeX9NZmvahw&feature=youtu.be

C right - right corner
B right - 3 rails in the corner
A left - left corner
A right - 1 rail back to the left
C left - 1 rail back to the right

Also B left is interchangeable with C right to the right corner.
B right is interchangeable with A left to the left corner.

Gerry

Of course this is subject to Stan's approval but I am pretty sure.
 
Gerry Williams said:
Here are three other options for the shot in question using Pro One visuals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeX9NZmvahw&feature=youtu.be

C right - right corner
B right - 3 rails in the corner
A left - left corner
A right - 1 rail back to the left
C left - 1 rail back to the right

Also B left is interchangeable with C right to the right corner.
B right is interchangeable with A left to the left corner.

Gerry

Of course this is subject to Stan's approval but I am pretty sure.
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These shots just turned out to be a great testing tool for sweeps and visuals :)
 
Just added one in the middle it has to go with same line up.(rite?)
Anyway if these shots share the same line up for a cut to the left corner shouldn't they share the same line up for a bank? (just wondering)

Anthony
 

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Your third shot is close to a B - that isn't the exact shot being discussed but it would be close.

I would bet that I can make all 3 banks 1 rail back with the same visual and sweep. A right for the bank vs A left for what you have diagrammed.

Gerry
 
Gerry Williams said:
Your third shot is close to a B - that isn't the exact shot being discussed but it would be close.

I would bet that I can make all 3 banks 1 rail back with the same visual and sweep. A right for the bank vs A left for what you have diagrammed.

Gerry
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Not sure what your talking about ,I just added one in the middle from the op.:confused:
 

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There are a zillion shots on a table and the 2 CTE PERCEPTIONS make every single one of them somewhere and most of time in your desired pocket.
There are 3 major things to see in CTE PRO ONE that cover all shots and then there is the 1/8 for some shots.
I am guessing but I will check this when I have time to kill or perhaps someone will beat me to it.
In my 105 run I think perhaps I used only 2 perception for 80 plus of the 105 shots and they were CTE Perceptions. Then the other 20 or so were A or C one line visuals.
There will be no shots of the zillion that CTE PRO ONE will not handle.
I WILL cover this topic on DVD2.
Stan Shuffett

Adding a shot to middle does not change anything and I will discuss a similar set-up in some detail on DVD2.
 
Really?

Does the original look like the cue and the 2 ball are lined up along the diamonds as you have sketched? Or does it look like it is a little inside the diamond? It matters.


8pack said:
Not sure what your talking about ,I just added one in the middle from the op.:confused:
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I want to be clear when I talked about eye alignments, I'm not talking about any conscious manipulation going on. I'm only talking about my own observations, and checking the eye alignment after visuals are locked.

What might be true is that eye alignments are identical for all right-handers. Or, it may be possible to learn your own visuals and sweeps with your own eye positions. Stan has said before he thinks Pro One could work for someone with vision in only one eye. If that is the case, you'd have to learn your own sweep movements for your own set of visuals. I know I use different eye positions for different shots. Namely: right eye and left eye together for "B" alignments, opposing eye for thinner cuts, right eye for everything else. I'm left-eye dominant.

I doubt eye dominance affects eye positions for visuals. Your eye dominance comes in to play when you go down into CCB for the shot.

Maybe Stan will confirm or correct this. Interesting stuff.
 
gerry williams said:
really?

Does the original look like the cue and the 2 ball are lined up along the diamonds as you have sketched? Or does it look like it is a little inside the diamond? It matters.
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Really....am i a hair off.you have a ball that is 2 diamonds away and your doing your same thing on both shots and your complaining about a hair.You kidding me.

Sounds to me like it really doesnt matter .
 
8pack said:
Really....am i a hair off.you have a ball that is 2 diamonds away and your doing your same thing on both shots and your complaining about a hair.You kidding me.

Sounds to me like it really doesnt matter .
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If you put the balls exactly on the diamonds, the thinner cut shot is on the razors edge of going to a B alignment. If you move the OB over a quarter ball or more, it definitely becomes a B alignment. The overlap, if any, can only be tested at the table.
 
Not complaining - stating the facts, it is approaching a B and may actually be a B as you have drawn it up. It is clearly a different visual - the C in the original was at the extreme end of the C perception. So when you move further can you guess what happens, stay with me - it moves to a B.


8pack said:
really....am i a hair off.you have a ball that is 2 diamonds away and your doing your same thing on both shots and your complaining about a hair.you kidding me.

Sounds to me like it really doesnt matter .
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The line up it pretty close to being the same.My lines maybe a hair off.
 

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mohrt said:
I want to be clear when I talked about eye alignments, I'm not talking about any conscious manipulation going on. I'm only talking about my own observations, and checking the eye alignment after visuals are locked.

What might be true is that eye alignments are identical for all right-handers. Or, it may be possible to learn your own visuals and sweeps with your own eye positions. Stan has said before he thinks Pro One could work for someone with vision in only one eye. If that is the case, you'd have to learn your own sweep movements for your own set of visuals. I know I use different eye positions for different shots. Namely: right eye and left eye together for "B" alignments, opposing eye for thinner cuts, right eye for everything else. I'm left-eye dominant.

I doubt eye dominance affects eye positions for visuals. Your eye dominance comes in to play when you go down into CCB for the shot.

Maybe Stan will confirm or correct this. Interesting stuff.
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The perceptions are objective. From the visual point from where a perception is seen is what determines a fixed cue ball. From there a 1/2 tip pivot makes the shot.

In other words, the visuals for everyone yield the same offset for all shots when done correctly.

One person does not have a 1/3 tip offset while others have 3/4 tip offsets unless they're seeing incorrectly.

It is best to use your 2 EYES to get your perceptions even though many, many
CTE perceptions are picked up with one eye, but it's your 2 eyes that fix the cue ball.

Stan Shuffett
 
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you know i bought the see system, toi, and pro one but i think duckie and some of the people on this board convinced me to go back to GB.
 
stan shuffett said:
That is great!

Stan Shuffett
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Oh please Stan, that is horrible lol. I was just trolling since I am bored at work. Never ever going back to GB, Pro one all the way. Things just got more interesting after i realize i was doing my sweeps correctly i was just not seeing single visuals. Things are clicking cant look back now. :wink:
 
ln817 said:
you know i bought the see system, toi, and pro one but i think duckie and some of the people on this board convinced me to go back to GB.[/QUOTE

Im about ready to join the duckie camp.....:thumbup::thumbup:
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ln817 said:
Oh please Stan, that is horrible lol. I was just trolling since I am bored at work. Never ever going back to GB, Pro one all the way. Things just got more interesting after i realize i was doing my sweeps correctly i was just not seeing single visuals. Things are clicking cant look back now. :wink:
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Ok, lol you got me! I am trying to put forth the proper attitude.

Thanks for your work with CTE PRO ONE!

Stan Shuffett
 
Hey Anthony,

Post a video of you making the 5 shots I posted using ghost ball. It has to be a continuous video so try as often as you like and I will do the same with Pro One. Let's see who makes the shots with the least misses. 5/5 would be solid IMO.

Perhaps play some music so we know the video is continuous :)

You up for a friendly challenge?


Im about ready to join the duckie camp.....:thumbup::thumbup:[/QUOTE]
 
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