You clearly have no clue what you are talking about - that much is clear.
Have a nice day.
Have a nice day.
Two Different Shots, Yet the Same
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Thank You thats the way it should be.:smile:
Some of these topics create a big sh!t storm but I think in person we would all probably get along a lot better.
Anthony
This to me is saying he's doing the the same process on both shots.
I must be wrong.Are you seeing something im not?
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Both shots are made with the same visuals and the same sweeps in Pro One.
Would you like me to video it for you?
Would you like me to video it for you?
Do you think I used the same process for the 4 balls I made in the video earlier?
You dont have to do that, I have know doubt you can.
It would be nice if Dave or Stan would chime in and give there view on the shot.I gotta ask you how does the same process create a wider angle or vice versa .Im boggle by that.Must be the visual sweep.(Im guessing here)
Try it for yourself - I can't explain the why with math, but I know it works.
It does. And the only thing to convince you is to take it to the table and try it. This is the crux of the arguments and discrepancies behind CTE. Each and every CB/OB/Pocket relationship presents its own unique visual, and following the same process will result in the shot line to the pocket. This is a system of visuals, not a system of angles.
I just read this thread. I usually have an open mind even though I can be a bit opinionated. I know very little about CTE or Pro1. I was rather intrigued with CTE & still am, even with my limited undersatnding.
I probably will get the new DVD. Note I said probably. That has changed, as this discussion has confused me beyond belief.
To call those two(2) shots the same goes beyond all logic in my mind. I don't always agree with 8pack, Anthony(?), but on this one I have no choice.
The only way I can see those two shots made by the exact same set up & stroke is if the second was shot softly & a huge wind came up & blew the ball toward the pocket. they are different with completley different angles to the pocket. It is physically impossible to pocket both of those balls with exact same contact points on both of the OBs. I would dare say even with different spins, but CTE is a center ball sysytem.
Are 'you' saying that CTE/Pro1 is so magical that the built in throw compensation makes those two(2) shots the same?
I usually, take up for CTE, but this starts to look & sound like witchcraft.
I know my words are a bit harsh but to say shooting those two(2) shots are the same in the same pocket goes beyond any logical science.
I can hear PJ in my head. Mr. Leaf, who are you? (2-15-13)
HELP or I should I probably just wait for the new DVD.
Regards to all parties involved,
I probably will get the new DVD. Note I said probably. That has changed, as this discussion has confused me beyond belief.
To call those two(2) shots the same goes beyond all logic in my mind. I don't always agree with 8pack, Anthony(?), but on this one I have no choice.
The only way I can see those two shots made by the exact same set up & stroke is if the second was shot softly & a huge wind came up & blew the ball toward the pocket. they are different with completley different angles to the pocket. It is physically impossible to pocket both of those balls with exact same contact points on both of the OBs. I would dare say even with different spins, but CTE is a center ball sysytem.
Are 'you' saying that CTE/Pro1 is so magical that the built in throw compensation makes those two(2) shots the same?
I usually, take up for CTE, but this starts to look & sound like witchcraft.
I know my words are a bit harsh but to say shooting those two(2) shots are the same in the same pocket goes beyond any logical science.
I can hear PJ in my head. Mr. Leaf, who are you? (2-15-13)
HELP or I should I probably just wait for the new DVD.
Regards to all parties involved,
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Perhaps you should get the DVD and spend some time with the system before trying to debate anything on here. The biggest issue with these discussions is that people try to relate Pro One/CTE to angles and math.
Get the DVD, work with it and you will see. I am an Engineer so I understand math as well as most but this is a perception based aiming system - not a fractional one.
I ask you the same question - I posted a video of 4 different shots using Pro One. Do you believe that I used the same visuals and sweep for all 4?
Get the DVD, work with it and you will see. I am an Engineer so I understand math as well as most but this is a perception based aiming system - not a fractional one.
I ask you the same question - I posted a video of 4 different shots using Pro One. Do you believe that I used the same visuals and sweep for all 4?
Both shots have their own angle to the pocket. Even though you line up with CTEL-A with Right pivot for both shots, the result when you reach center cue ball is the correct shot line to the pocket.
It has something to do with the visuals. Each shot has a unique visual, leading to a unique shot line when you reach center cue ball.
I'm not a British guy.
Since you tell me to mind my own business. Let me remind you that you're on a privately owned 'public' forum. Anythng on the public forum IS my 'business'.
I thought you might be legitimate, but if you are a 'ressurection', perhaps Mr. Wilson would like to know so he can roll the stone back.
I re-tract my regards to you.
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That would require a different amount of pivot or 'sweep'. From what you just said it would appear that some confusion was inadvertently created my a mis-speak or mis-understanding of vernacular.
Unless you guys are now speaking Vulcan mind meld Pro1.:wink:
Thanks for the reply,
Rick
You are correct in that it would require something to be technically different. Math and geometry can tell you that. But what I can tell you from experience, you align the eyes CTEL-A, Then sweep in with right pivot, you end up on the shot line.
I don't have the exact answers to the why. Maybe DVD 2 will unravel some of this. I do believe it has something to do with the visuals. Each OB/CB/Pocket arrangement presents a unique set of visuals. This may affect the starting eye alignment ever so slightly. I'm not 100% sure myself. Yet. All I know is, execution is a matter of practice and experience, and then repeating the process "just works" all over the table.
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Ahhh, That's better.
But... perhaps you should have done that in a PM. :wink:
Maybe next time. :ignore:
Sorry if I made you come out of the closet so to speak.:canoodle:
I re-instate my regards to you.
Thanks Again,
I am very much a believer of the amazing capabilities of the human 'mind' & how it relates even to the physical body.
I think what you just said to me about a 'technical difference', would have saved pages & hundreds of keystrokes where Mr. Anthony (8pack) is concerned.
You have fully restored my intrigue with CTE/Pro1.
As is so often the case in these 'discussions', mis & lack of full communication are the true culprits.
Best Regards to You,
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I do agree the vernacular can be confusing, and lead to a lot of mis-spoke stuff. I generated my own language for it, but only use it to myself to avoid more confusion 
What is a CTEL-A/C, I just call "1".
What is "CTEL-B" I call "2".
what is a thin A/C I call "3".
what is a 1/8 overlap I call "4".
As for sweep, a movement toward CTEL (or away from pocket) I call "out". for a movement away from CTEL (or toward pocket) I call "in". (note this coincides exactly opposite of "inside" and "outside" pivot, so I'm more confused than anyone :thumbup
So then shots become simply 1-in, 1-out, 2-in, 2-out, etc. regardless of cut direction.
(for the special close 7/8 overlap I call "0")
What is a CTEL-A/C, I just call "1".
What is "CTEL-B" I call "2".
what is a thin A/C I call "3".
what is a 1/8 overlap I call "4".
As for sweep, a movement toward CTEL (or away from pocket) I call "out". for a movement away from CTEL (or toward pocket) I call "in". (note this coincides exactly opposite of "inside" and "outside" pivot, so I'm more confused than anyone :thumbup
So then shots become simply 1-in, 1-out, 2-in, 2-out, etc. regardless of cut direction.
(for the special close 7/8 overlap I call "0")
That hurt.I dont blame you though.
Anthony
Thanks for the chuckle, Mr. Anthony.
What would we do if we all agreed with each other all of the time?
We probably would not even play pool because we would know what the other one is going to do before he does it.
What a boring world that would be. But... think of the surprise & excitement when one does something different.
Kind of like when the wife comes out of the closet wearing a corset outfit & a wig.:wink:
Regards to You Sir,