Two tips of english. Blah Blah Blah

supergreenman said:
Hal :D I just made the size of the tip small so it would stand out. As some previous posters have said, the whole tip doesn't make contact with the CB.

The point I was trying to make is that you should be starting your count with the left hand edge of the tip on the very centre of the CB, not half a tip away like your illustration.
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I dont know how we are supposed to look at but in my head I see the tip widths the same way you do.

1 tip of right would be that the tip is 1 tip right on dead center. This would have the left edge of the cuetip at dead center.
2 tips would have the left edge of the tip equal to where the right edge
of the cuetip was when it was at 1 tip.
I believe that is the way you view it as well.

I really dont think the it matters as long as we understand our own view.
When coaching or relaying information it becomes a little more difficult.

I do think that with both objects (tip and ball) it allows for more contact farther out than what a 2D drawing can show. What it does help to think about is how critical it can be to have a flat tip or one that is too rounded.

Which is closest to a cueball radius? dime shaped tip or a nickle shaped tip
 
scottycoyote said:
get one of those elephant balls that holds chalk and shoot with it. You will be surprised where you think you are hitting the cueball and where you are actually hitting it.
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Good point Scott. The confusion seems to be in determining "what is 1 tip". Take that same training ball, and look at the red dot in the middle of the circle. That dot is just about the size of the the contact area of the tip (Not the whole tip width, just the amount that actually makes contact.) Now, if you can stroke it and put a chalk mark directly beside that red dot, that would be one tip of spin. Using that scale, you can get about 5 tips of spin in any direction before you are outside the circle. This gives you a scale that will help get accuracy for your spin. Small adjustments of this size will give you better control. I'm pretty sure you have seen the results first hand. I don't think we used the training ball in class, but I think we pulled it out when you and I were working one-on-one.
Steve
 
We've pretty much exhausted this topic. But when someone says "two tips" of english, it should mean TWO TIPS. If you don't mean TWO TIPS then don't say two tips. Say something like 1/8. If you move 1/8 "EIGHT TIMES" you'll be at one full tip to the right of center. Repeat and you'll be two full tips from the center. Which would look somethig like this:

The first white circle is 1/8 tip of right english. Meaning 1/8 of the tip is off center.

The whole point of this thread was to say that "two tips" is B.S. There needs to be a better description.
 

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Ready! Here I go again. LOL
I've never thought of english in any measured amount. I look at the shot and think, OK I need about this much. The problem with using a measurement becomes very apparent when you start using a combination of english and follow or draw spin. Since the cue ball is a sphere, according to what anyone here is saying, what would one tip be if you were half way down to the bottom of the cue ball as well. If you can only use two tips at center, then you can only use one tip down there. Getting very confusing already isn't it.

As far as a discussion tool to say verbally it is common to use "1" or "2" tips. Since the starting point is in the middle I have always considered one tip of english to be half the width of the tip. And two tips of english would be 1 full width of the tip. In other words putting the center of the tip where the edge was, is one tip of english.
 
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CaptainJR said:
Since the starting point is in the middle I have always considered one tip of english to be half the width of the tip. And two tips of english would be 1 full width of the tip. In other words putting the center of the tip where the edge was, is one tip of english.
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Golly gee whiz, then I am putting who knows how much english when I go extreme right, or left, just before the tip miscues... Sheesh, what's that? 4 tips??

Flex
 
Flex said:
Golly gee whiz, then I am putting who knows how much english when I go extreme right, or left, just before the tip miscues... Sheesh, what's that? 4 tips??

Flex
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Exactly. The actual most that would normally be used would be 3 tips, which would be moving the center of the tip 1 and 1/2 the width of the tip in either direction. Can be stretched to 4 but you are taking a chance there.
 
Two tips of English

May I weigh in here: I recently acquired the Chicago "Bugs" Rucker DVD's on Banking. There are three DVD's: Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced. May I first say that Bugs is nothing short of awesome in these DVD's and anyone who loves the game of bank pool as I and others do, would say after viewing these DVD's that he is truly a magician. Now, as Freddy The Beard would say is the nugget... On his advanced DVD which clearly demonstrates how to make nearly twenty five difficult banks, the vast majority are with two tips of english (right or left). Also, in the same context he states before shooting the shot and exclaiming this bank is made with two tips of (right or left) he always adds "and one tip low" Anyone care to doubt it just email me and I will gladly send you a copy.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
You don't believe me huh?

Before I waste my time and money making you a copy of the Bugs Rucker DVD which I had to pay dearly to acquire. why don't we just make a little wager.... Say about $25.00? I'm not trying to gouge anybody, just want to prove the point and cover my expenses. So, whats your preference? Live in denial of the two tip english method as commonly practiced by those in the know or lose $25.00 and learn how yourself!

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best and beat the rest".
 
be intuitive about the game, if your thinking about dividing the cue ball up into a grid system your thinking way to much, just stroke the ball and hit it where you think it should be hit, how hard? amount of english? experiment, play the game, don't be so technical,
 
CrossSideLarry said:
Before I waste my time and money making you a copy of the Bugs Rucker DVD which I had to pay dearly to acquire. why don't we just make a little wager.... Say about $25.00? I'm not trying to gouge anybody, just want to prove the point and cover my expenses. So, whats your preference? Live in denial of the two tip english method as commonly practiced by those in the know or lose $25.00 and learn how yourself!

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best and beat the rest".
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How many videos are there and what is the quality of them?
 
Hal said:
I hear people all the time saying crap about "two tips of right hand english". This is what I perceive to be "two tips of right hand english". I have a Moori medium well chalked tip on a Schon cue and I'll be damned if I can make a good hit. I challenge you to do it.

This is based on a 2.250 diameter cue ball and a 12.5mm tip.
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Wow! What a variety of replies to this post. I vote for moving the tip's center to its previous edge as one tip, for what that's worth. However, imho, these measurements are of very little use. The angle of the cue and its speed, grip and follow-through point are much more critical. Also, the ball is much smaller as you move high or low so the english is multiplied.

Discussing tips of english is irrelevant unless among shooters with similar aiming systems. I don't think you can make a shot by moving your cue parallel and putting any number of tips of english on the ball.

IMO, there are three types of shots with english: the kind where you play the curve of the cueball, the ones you can hit hard enough not to curve, and the ones you can let curve before release of the cueball. Of these, the last two are much more reliable. The last one requires you to push the cueball out of the way of your tip, so a little english is harder than a lot. Which brings me to my point.

To those trying not to deflect the cueball english is an entirely different thing than to those like me who usually intentionally deflect the ball maximally. You might use one tip of english and aim at the contact point on the object ball for a straight in shot where I can use one tip (preferably more) and aim outside the object ball edge.

unknownpro
 
Two more cents

I have always used the "one or two tips" distance to give someone the GENERAL idea of how far to move the tip of the cue. Obviously, all players hit the ball differently and each stroke will be close to each players current skills. I used to play a lot of billiards and telling someone to move the tip half the distance to the edge of the ball or one or two tips distance is simply a way to get the shooter to understand what happens when the cue ball moves.
 
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